Archive Route Development & Rumours

[ethanegcc]

Seriously if all this was to come to fruition, I'd be very happy.

 

[David_itl]

The graphic looked interesting in that its got Emirates with 4.5% of flights! Is there something happening that we don't know about?

 

[Dobbo]

Assume it's capacity?

 

[David_itl]

May well be. Just crunched the numbers and got 1.2 million seats available for them. Based on my 29.2 million prediction for 2018, it's just over 4% market share. For this year, 1.2 million seats would result in around 4.46% market share.

 

[Aceshigh]

The first release of ACL always has us salivating but realistically a proportion of that optimism evaporates. The good news suggests we are starting at a much higher level.

I still wonder where all the apron space is coming from !

 

[David_itl]

I imagine that the apron by the finger pier will be prioritised so that airlines could make use of it.

 

[Dobbo]

Something I thought was quite interesting.

You may recall an article from a year back about the impact the DOH/DXB-AKL services had on EU-NZ popularity.

The below graphics shows just how much market share they've grabbed from the incumbents and how much capacity it has released between the Middle East and Australia...

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[User001]

Spicejet

decided to put this out there as it was alluded to in the Blue Swan Daily article. Also, the airline themselves are not exactly denying the route and also have permission from the original source to post. Obviously this will be subject to change given the airline is yet to obtain the aircraft, so, don’t get out the party poppers just yet.

SG061 DEL 0155 MAN 0630
SG062 MAN 0820* DEL 2110

Daily B77W
*some days the flight leaves at 0815

 

[David_itl]

Now to figure where the 77W is coming from!

 

[User001]

I’m guessing EK. I’m sure the have 3-4 coming offline in the next few months.

 

[Dobbo]

Nice to see some B77W back. Assume provisionally T2? Can't see space elsewhere.

Good if it comes to pass.

 

[David_itl]

Doesn't really connect to anything in India when it arrives so we're talking something like 8 or 9 hours on the ground waiting for most connecting flights - just looking at the major cities

For Mumbai: 1st flight departs 0635 and last one 2135
For Chennai 1st flight departs 0655 and last one 2030
For Bangalore: 1st flight departs 0100 and last one 2055
For Amritsar: only flight at 1700
for Kolkata: 1st flight departs 0555 and last one 1820

Potentially the ME3 may still be best if not heading to DEL?

 

[IanFarquharson]

I believe the bilateral agreement limits the total number of UK-India direct flights to 44 by British carriers, and 44 by Indian carriers. Once you take the existing services with Air India and Jet Airways from LHR/BHX into account I’m not sure there is scope for extra flights to the UK ?

 

[User001]

Wasn’t the bilateral recently amended? If not then the fact the Indian carriers currently have 60 weekly flights could be an issue wouldn’t you think? (There are 49 weekly flights on BOM/DEL-LHR alone) They wouldn’t be planning the services if there was no hope of getting the rights......

I’d also point out that funny how bilaterals didn’t seem to be an issue when Spicejet were rumoured for BHX, but that’s just the cynic in me....

 

[David_itl]

All I can find is stuff along the lines of:

"NEW DELHI: India and Britain have signed an open sky pact to ease restrictions on the number of scheduled flights between the two countries. As a result limits on flights from key Indian cities including Chennai and Kolkata have been scrapped."

dating from February this year

 

[ethanegcc]

Yet again I see the rumour has been disparaged - as well as @User001 ’s efforts to give some extra info to the thread author - on airliners.net.

 

[User001]

It seems like some people get really annoyed at hearing MAN news!

 

[Dobbo]

It is understandable because, from the perspective of BHX, because DEL is one of their blue riband routes, being the only UK airport outside of LHR to offer the route and BHX are rightly proud of that. AI continue to invest in BHX by adding ATQ, so it is obviously going well.

However, if (and at this stage it is a big if), a DEL-MAN route opened, if would do the following:

1. Take some of the gloss off the unique nature of the route; and/or
2. Upset the status quo, and possibly challenge AI's current model into BHX.

I'm sure they can co-exist, but I think this, in a nutshell, is why.

 

[rutamkrd]

Indian bilateral usually have seat capacity limits and built in reciprocity rather than slot limits.

This is a rather primitive method however has the primary aims of protecting Air India.

 

[User001]

Had a bit of a row with someone yesterday lol.

A friend of mine travelled MAN-AMS, but wait for it, via Heathrow.

I questioned ‘why on earth did you do it that’s way’.

‘The direct options didn’t fly at the time I wanted’.

‘Up to 15 flights a day and your telling me not one of them was a time you wanted’.

‘I didn’t know there was 15 a day’.

Makes you wonder what you need to do to get through to some people. I don’t mind people using alternatives or 1 stop options on route so like New York and such if the timings, airline and price are not right, I’ve done it several times, but on a route with 15 fligts a day and 3 different operators. Blooming heck!