I can almost hear Jess Gylnne on the donny tarmac now 😂 — it is time
I would exercise caution with statements like that. We have 17 years of history to draw from here, ‘right’ operator or not.
 
Can only see eastern,KLM or aer lingus serving Doncaster for the time being
Would eastern/KLM really want to abandon a market that has been served for 50 years, where they have their HQ and get free parking amongst other things, to move to an airport that struggles to get 10 people on flights to DUB?

Just truly astonishing all this.
 
Can only see eastern,KLM or aer lingus serving Doncaster for the time being
The truth is you know no more than I do. Just friendly banter chill. What will be will be

Would eastern/KLM really want to abandon a market that has been served for 50 years, where they have their HQ and get free parking amongst other things, to move to an airport that struggles to get 10 people on flights to DUB?

Just truly astonishing all this.
Watch this space pug 🐶
 
The truth is you know no more than I do. Just friendly banter chill. What will be will be


Watch this space pug 🐶
I’m watching it, whilst I listen to people who really know their stuff tell me things that will never make it online. I don’t need to divulge things though to be able to make a solid case for why this should not receive another penny in public money, because the evidence is there for all to see, they just prefer to believe a nonsense conspiracy theory. Seems that’s also what’s driving the Council.

If they can bring the airlines in and make them stay then great, if it truly develops into something Peel or Vantage couldn’t achieve then fair play. So far absolutely nothing has been made public to suggest that it’s going to bring anything new to the table. The fact that they aren’t allowing due scrutiny of the plans shows that they have a lot to hide.

It ain’t won yet, not by a long shot.
 
I mean they could open up DSA but -

TUI don't have the fleet to reopen the base to the scale it once was unless they want to downscale other bases or set up with ACMI operator which would not be good for the customer.

Wizz Air are happy, with LF higher then it was at DSA and yield/revenue and profit higher at LBA. So why would they return. And it's no secret that they have issues with the A321's.

Jet2 are not going to set up a base in middle of two catchment areas with two large scale bases at either of those catchments areas. You either travel north or south for a Jet2 flight.

easyJet and Ryanair are the outliers but again easyJet don't seem to have anything in the midlands or Yorkshire so that's a possibility. But they'd probably want the airport that is going to have better yield therefor better revenue/profit. Ryanair would ... but again why when they too have LBA/EMA.

There is 0 possibility of this becoming a success cargo hub like EMA ... so it's another labour politician without knowledge of how the airline industry works.
 
I mean they could open up DSA but -

TUI don't have the fleet to reopen the base to the scale it once was unless they want to downscale other bases or set up with ACMI operator which would not be good for the customer.

Wizz Air are happy, with LF higher then it was at DSA and yield/revenue and profit higher at LBA. So why would they return. And it's no secret that they have issues with the A321's.

Jet2 are not going to set up a base in middle of two catchment areas with two large scale bases at either of those catchments areas. You either travel north or south for a Jet2 flight.

easyJet and Ryanair are the outliers but again easyJet don't seem to have anything in the midlands or Yorkshire so that's a possibility. But they'd probably want the airport that is going to have better yield therefor better revenue/profit. Ryanair would ... but again why when they too have LBA/EMA.

There is 0 possibility of this becoming a success cargo hub like EMA ... so it's another labour politician without knowledge of how the airline industry works.
Watch this space you’re as clueless as the rest of us.
 
Watch this space you’re as clueless as the rest of us.
I can’t talk for sherburnflyer, but we aren’t all as uninformed as you claim us all to be. Just most people won’t bother posting on here or elsewhere. I do know some are watching quietly though 👋
 
To be honest if anybody does know are they really likely to post until it is really known and confirmed
 
To be honest if anybody does know are they really likely to post until it is really known and confirmed
About DSA? No, but there are people openly talking with skepticism about this, and some might be people the DSA operators would probably need to convince.

We can already see from today’s news that it was a forced announcement. They haven’t even signed anything yet, they have just decided to announce that they’ve reached agreeable terms with an undisclosed operator. They will next week ask SYMCA for another £3m to close the deal - they haven’t requested drawdown of the full lot yet because they aren’t confident enough at this stage that it is going ahead.

I think this should all be discussed on the main thread though. At this time Jet2 haven’t publicly indicated anything about DSA, they haven’t even officially made comment about it internally as they do with other local airports that they don’t operate into.
 
Watch this space you’re as clueless as the rest of us.

Right. Okay.

I'll also quote what John Prescott said when he approved Doncaster to be converted from RAF base to a commercial airport. There is no need nor demand for such airport but given it could end up a decent industrial complex he will approve.

I guess I'm clueless too when - Wizz Air have openly declared that LBA is better for their ops see LBA thread. easyJet made it last what a year max? Flybe did exactly what? TUI don't have 100+ aircraft on order also last time I checked. Yes they have the Max 10's but even then there is a high chance they won't be approved for flight by 2026. But I guess I'm clueless.
 
Right. Okay.

I'll also quote what John Prescott said when he approved Doncaster to be converted from RAF base to a commercial airport. There is no need nor demand for such airport but given it could end up a decent industrial complex he will approve.

I guess I'm clueless too when - Wizz Air have openly declared that LBA is better for their ops see LBA thread. easyJet made it last what a year max? Flybe did exactly what? TUI don't have 100+ aircraft on order also last time I checked. Yes they have the Max 10's but even then there is a high chance they won't be approved for flight by 2026. But I guess I'm clueless.
I couldn’t comment on Wizzair as all I know is what’s been said by others on here, up to and including the route performance since moving to LBA. I do know that they are paying more to fly from LBA, so if DSA was to offer incentives as before then they may decide to return even if they also stay at LBA as there is still a sizeable Eastern European community in Lincolnshire.

Easyjet couldn’t be convinced that there was a big enough immediate market to offer sufficient routes to enable a 3 aircraft base (this is the minimum they tend to need to justify a base in the U.K.), they put one aircraft in that was surplus to requirements at LPL to keep their Peel deal when they expanded at MAN. They wouldn’t agree a separate deal with DSA for reasons unknown, but they didn’t pay anything more to fly from DSA and load factors fell below 70% overall and at the time 85% was their breakeven as published in their financial report (2010). So it didn’t attract enough support to warrant exploring further. They publicly stated they were pulling out because they didn’t sell enough seats.


Flybe were initially subsidised by Yorkshire forward to run a daily BHD, that was pulled when the subsidy period came to an end suggesting the route under performed. They returned some years later when Peel entered an agreement to subsidise the basing of 2 otherwise surplus ejets that were on long term lease to Flybe. This reportedly cost Peel a bit, and although loads weren’t too bad the base was pulled as soon as the aircraft were returned. AMS and DUB remained on sale to be operated by Dash 8 but that was dropped before the flights started, Flybe publicly blamed poor sales as the reason.


Ryanair were hotly tipped (as were easyjet in fairness) to be an anchor operator when DSA mk1 opened. In usual Ryanair fashion they flirted with the airport running a couple of routes. Meanwhile they opened large bases at LBA and EMA, why? We know Peel had built an airport business on undercutting competitors on cost? So what is the problem?

Meanwhile KLM were another target airline that opted to stay at HUY throughout, renewing their contract 3 times. DSA were aggressively targeting them throughout.

Aer Arran and Stobart both attempted Aer Lingus franchise flights to DUB, each occasion they struggled to get double digit load factors, needless to say both attempts were short lived.

Recall Shaheen? They prematurely announced a link between DSA and Lahore (?), they were poached by LBA before the aircraft ever reached the tarmac! Though this may have been a ruse to get LBA to the table.

TUI were undoubtably successful throughout, I have no doubt Jet2 could do fairly well there too given the right circumstances. Problem is it’s so close to EMA and LBA and really offers nothing in terms of new markets because the people from the area already use LBA and EMA for their Jet2 flights, and as such I cannot see a scenario at this time that would make them jump across to DSA. Their move to LPL is incomparable in my view, but I will never say never and it would be nice to see a DSA terminal painted red, just don’t be surprised if TUI suddenly turned luke warm as they are doing at BOH now!

So with all that in mind, was Peel really the problem? Or was the problem one more of lack of support from the market? That’s something that is unfortunately inherently problematic and can’t be changed by a new owner/operating model sadly. So the excitement is very premature at this stage.
 
A phrase I will use is cringeworthy rather than newsworthy right at this moment. We all have an opinion and most are on the same side. It's only the deluded few that arent
I think at the moment we’re the deluded ones Finger66.. Time will tell.
 

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