Route Development & Rumours

[pug]

Probably the only sentence that has made sense throughout all these sofa ‘aviation’ experts comments

Point clearly gone over your head. Wonder what your experience is, given your 6 posts on here intended purely to antagonise and actually offering absolutely nothing of substance. In fact I’ve seen that accusation levelled at the ‘non believers’ elsewhere in the last couple of days, it’s quite clear the people using that slant wouldn’t have the faintest idea of what they’re talking about - I would include you in that. It’s like an inverse Dunning-Kruger effect.

Anyone who might have a reasonable idea has yet to comment publicly.. Absolutely nobody was talking about it where I was today, but some possible positive developments were mentioned in passing about another airport nearby, but what would I know

In all probability things will play out the same way as before, we’ve seen OC try to play excitement down today, why do you think this might be?

Dont be gullible.

 

[Snackbar]

Watch this space you’re as clueless as the rest of us.

Some of us however arent clueless - I don’t recollect seeing you on the attendees list across in Bahrain at Routes world??
Quite a few people on here are well connected in the aviation business and just because you don’t like what they have to say doesn’t mean it’s not correct……The view in the aviation business about DSA is not a positive one….Thats why the tax payer is having to stump £150m to underwrite the significant commercial risk for a partner just to even contemplate taking it on….

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Some of us however arent clueless - I don’t recollect seeing you on the attendees list across in Bahrain at Routes world??
Quite a few people on here are well connected in the aviation business and just because you don’t like what they have to say doesn’t mean it’s not correct……The view in the aviation business about DSA is not a positive one….Thats why the tax payer is having to stump £150m to underwrite the significant commercial risk for a partner just to even contemplate taking it on….

Sssssshhh some people don’t like the truth and the knowledge a good chunk of members hold positions in aviation.

 

[LS1991]

Some of us however arent clueless - I don’t recollect seeing you on the attendees list across in Bahrain at Routes world??
Quite a few people on here are well connected in the aviation business and just because you don’t like what they have to say doesn’t mean it’s not correct……The view in the aviation business about DSA is not a positive one….Thats why the tax payer is having to stump £150m to underwrite the significant commercial risk for a partner just to even contemplate taking it on….

I was there for your information

 

[pug]

Is this thread about to have a Spartacus moment? I’m sure you were there LS1991, but as it would therefore be your duty not to report such information on these forums where nobody knows noffink, perhaps we will be seeing less of you around?

 

[dmrodgers]

You can take this with a pinch of salt whether it is true or not but could be little worrying for the operations at LBA and EMA if this occurs, especially at LBA with the issues with Leeds City Council over breaching night time quotas. Whilst the airport are confident of winning an appeal, may have to be taken to the High Court ultimately if lost then Jet 2 may be looking to move some flights into DSA to ensure future breaches do not occur. This is copied from one of the DSA Facebook pages yesterday 30 November 2024.

BREAKING NEWS Jet2
Jet2 CEO Steve Heapy said he will be meeting the airport operators to see whether he will deploy capacity at Doncaster Sheffield Airport.
He confirmed he has yet to meet the overseas operator but he says a meeting will happen in the near future.
He said he hopes it will work this time (DSA) but this won't be immediate as these negotiations take time to develop.

 

[pug]

You can take this with a pinch of salt whether it is true or not but could be little worrying for the operations at LBA and EMA if this occurs, especially at LBA with the issues with Leeds City Council over breaching night time quotas. Whilst the airport are confident of winning an appeal, may have to be taken to the High Court ultimately if lost then Jet 2 may be looking to move some flights into DSA to ensure future breaches do not occur. This is copied from one of the DSA Facebook pages yesterday 30 November 2024.

BREAKING NEWS Jet2
Jet2 CEO Steve Heapy said he will be meeting the airport operators to see whether he will deploy capacity at Doncaster Sheffield Airport.
He confirmed he has yet to meet the overseas operator but he says a meeting will happen in the near future.
He said he hopes it will work this time (DSA) but this won't be immediate as these negotiations take time to develop.

Not seen anything anywhere regarding this, no news outlet has released it (which would happen). Could you say who posted it and where (I have my suspicions!)? I heard the other day again that there are no plans to go to DSA if it reopens and that’s from someone who knows these things and I 100% believe them over an internet rumour.

I have no doubt SH would enter discussions with DSA operators once more, they did this last time and it’s usually a case of exerting influence over the incumbents to get them into action/ensure the airports don’t get complacent - I recall some ten years ago that PM had been having a shouting match with Tony Hallwood for all to hear, stating he could remove the whole lot and plonk it in DSA! This is common practice and I have done this myself in the past when trying to get a better deal with a supplier when they’re failing to pull their weight, if it’s a case of moving from one to another and not growth then it tends to be an exercise in getting a better deal at the incumbent. If there is any truth to this (again, not convinced until I see it in a press release or article!) then that is likely what he will be doing here. Taking this with a huge pinch of salt until I see something more concrete.

If they went to DSA it would be on a growth mindset and not redeploying flights from LBA. However if they do you can probably forget TUI going back in, and then you risk being in the same situation as before. Clearly easyJet are focussing on LBA and Wizzair, Ryanair etc appear to be happy there. The night quota issue will be a concern, but I’m confident it will be resolved one way or another.

 

[White Heather]

Not seen anything anywhere regarding this, no news outlet has released it (which would happen). Could you say who posted it and where (I have my suspicions!)? I heard the other day again that there are no plans to go to DSA if it reopens and that’s from someone who knows these things and I 100% believe them over an internet rumour.

I have no doubt SH would enter discussions with DSA operators once more, they did this last time and it’s usually a case of exerting influence over the incumbents to get them into action/ensure the airports don’t get complacent - I recall some ten years ago that PM had been having a shouting match with Tony Hallwood for all to hear, stating he could remove the whole lot and plonk it in DSA! This is common practice and I have done this myself in the past when trying to get a better deal with a supplier when they’re failing to pull their weight, if it’s a case of moving from one to another and not growth then it tends to be an exercise in getting a better deal at the incumbent. If there is any truth to this (again, not convinced until I see it in a press release or article!) then that is likely what he will be doing here. Taking this with a huge pinch of salt until I see something more concrete.

If they went to DSA it would be on a growth mindset and not redeploying flights from LBA. However if they do you can probably forget TUI going back in, and then you risk being in the same situation as before. Clearly easyJet are focussing on LBA and Wizzair, Ryanair etc appear to be happy there. The night quota issue will be a concern, but I’m confident it will be resolved one way or another.

Surely Steve Heapy would talk to the new owners if only to arrange a deal (or not) for use of DSA for diversions and training flights as they have before. There's no way in my view that DSA would take existing flights away from LBA but I guess it's conceivable that they could give DSA a whirl initially in W legs as they are doing next year at LTN just to see what happens, and without the huge cost/risk of setting up a base.

 

[pug]

Surely Steve Heapy would talk to the new owners if only to arrange a deal (or not) for use of DSA for diversions and training flights as they have before. There's no way in my view that DSA would take existing flights away from LBA but I guess it's conceivable that they could give DSA a whirl initially in W legs as they are doing next year at LTN just to see what happens, and without the huge cost/risk of setting up a base.

They won’t do w patterns into DSA. The only reason they will do them into LTN initially is that they’ve found enough slots and are lagging behind on aircraft availability. If they were ever to operate from DSA they would do it like they’ve done everywhere else, unless there was a reason for them to rapidly need to deploy to it for some strategic reason (like night flight bans!).

They will have an agreement with Jet2 as they did before, so SH will, if the airport reopens, be involved in some discussion with the airport. Whether that results in a based operation would remain to be seen, I can speak for a few people who would like that to be the case (myself included), but I can only go by the word of people who do that sort of thing and say that it’s doubtful at the moment and they’ve certainly not been given any indication whatsoever that Jet2 are interested in flying out of DSA. This can change, there is no denying that, but as I’m still awaiting confirmation as to the source of this ‘breaking news’ I will be open to be proven wrong.

Like I say, the minute Jet2 move in you’d probably find TUI being a bit less supportive of DSA.

 

[White Heather]

They won’t do w patterns into DSA. The only reason they will do them into LTN initially is that they’ve found enough slots and are lagging behind on aircraft availability. If they were ever to operate from DSA they would do it like they’ve done everywhere else, unless there was a reason for them to rapidly need to deploy to it for some strategic reason (like night flight bans!).

They will have an agreement with Jet2 as they did before, so SH will, if the airport reopens, be involved in some discussion with the airport. Whether that results in a based operation would remain to be seen, I can speak for a few people who would like that to be the case (myself included), but I can only go by the word of people who do that sort of thing and say that it’s doubtful at the moment and they’ve certainly not been given any indication whatsoever that Jet2 are interested in flying out of DSA. This can change, there is no denying that, but as I’m still awaiting confirmation as to the source of this ‘breaking news’ I will be open to be proven wrong.

Like I say, the minute Jet2 move in you’d probably find TUI being a bit less supportive of DSA.

I do wonder, given Jet2s apparent battle for supremacy with TUi, if they would consider a small base at DSA if only to dissuade TUI from opening a base, or at least reducing their interest. It still seems an expensive way of trying to dominate the market though and in my view, unnecessary. I still take the view that with three other bases within 50 miles, all of significant size, a 4th base at a location which has previously proven to be a failure, seems reckless, which isn't something Jet2 ever were in the past when PM was holding the reigns .

 

[pug]

I do wonder, given Jet2s apparent battle for supremacy with TUi, if they would consider a small base at DSA if only to dissuade TUI from opening a base, or at least reducing their interest. It still seems an expensive way of trying to dominate the market though and in my view, unnecessary. I still take the view that with three other bases within 50 miles, all of significant size, a 4th base at a location which has previously proven to be a failure, seems reckless, which isn't something Jet2 ever were in the past when PM was holding the reigns .

The new exec chairman knows all about risk because that’s his background so I’m not sure. There are a load of aircraft arriving and they will have to go somewhere, but we may see the 737’s start leaving the fleet once Airbus are established so I’m not sure at the moment what the future plans are and whether there will be a level of attrition. One thing to note is that TUI confirmed their least popular crew base was at DSA, the reason for entering LTN isn’t just to make sure people in that part of the South East and midlands have exposure to Jet2, but there will have been other tactical reasons for basing there (including the need to attract and retain flight crew in the Airbus!) - it’s been rushed out too! Pre-emptive of easyjet growth at LBA I believe.

Nothing is impossible, and we know that the council will throw everything at DSA to prove a point, jet2 wouldn’t be a bad horse to back in this one given their strength in the market.

 

[Aviador]

BREAKING NEWS Jet2
Jet2 CEO Steve Heapy said he will be meeting the airport operators to see whether he will deploy capacity at Doncaster Sheffield Airport.
He confirmed he has yet to meet the overseas operator but he says a meeting will happen in the near future.
He said he hopes it will work this time (DSA) but this won't be immediate as these negotiations take time to develop.

No source, no substance. Does Steve Heapy even know he's had this conversation?

The conversation has moved to the Route Development & Rumours thread.

 

[pug]

No source, no substance. Does Steve Heapy even know he's had this conversation?

The conversation has moved to the Route Development & Rumours thread.

Certainly not something Steve Heapy would openly state that’s for sure, he doesn’t even say that sort of thing in front of staff! Sounds like mischief making and I have my suspicions

Before LPL was announced he openly stated LPL wouldn’t happen. BOH was a bit of an open secret, but it was a ‘South Cost Airport’. LTN came seemingly out of the blue (but very quickly) and none of this was out in the public or known about widely inside. So either he’s said this to get LBA to listen, or someone’s made it all up because until I see it quoted and sourced I won’t believe it.

 

[752]

You can take this with a pinch of salt whether it is true or not but could be little worrying for the operations at LBA and EMA if this occurs, especially at LBA with the issues with Leeds City Council over breaching night time quotas. Whilst the airport are confident of winning an appeal, may have to be taken to the High Court ultimately if lost then Jet 2 may be looking to move some flights into DSA to ensure future breaches do not occur. This is copied from one of the DSA Facebook pages yesterday 30 November 2024.

BREAKING NEWS Jet2
Jet2 CEO Steve Heapy said he will be meeting the airport operators to see whether he will deploy capacity at Doncaster Sheffield Airport.
He confirmed he has yet to meet the overseas operator but he says a meeting will happen in the near future.
He said he hopes it will work this time (DSA) but this won't be immediate as these negotiations take time to develop.

Considering they have just announced a 15 based AC at LBA and an operator not even been announced. I highly highly doubt there is any truth behind this statement.

 

[dmrodgers]

Not seen anything anywhere regarding this, no news outlet has released it (which would happen). Could you say who posted it and where (I have my suspicions!)? I heard the other day again that there are no plans to go to DSA if it reopens and that’s from someone who knows these things and I 100% believe them over an internet rumour.

I have no doubt SH would enter discussions with DSA operators once more, they did this last time and it’s usually a case of exerting influence over the incumbents to get them into action/ensure the airports don’t get complacent - I recall some ten years ago that PM had been having a shouting match with Tony Hallwood for all to hear, stating he could remove the whole lot and plonk it in DSA! This is common practice and I have done this myself in the past when trying to get a better deal with a supplier when they’re failing to pull their weight, if it’s a case of moving from one to another and not growth then it tends to be an exercise in getting a better deal at the incumbent. If there is any truth to this (again, not convinced until I see it in a press release or article!) then that is likely what he will be doing here. Taking this with a huge pinch of salt until I see something more concrete.

If they went to DSA it would be on a growth mindset and not redeploying flights from LBA. However if they do you can probably forget TUI going back in, and then you risk being in the same situation as before. Clearly easyJet are focussing on LBA and Wizzair, Ryanair etc appear to be happy there. The night quota issue will be a concern, but I’m confident it will be resolved one way or another.

Sorry been out all day so just picked this up, posted on Doncaster Sheffield Airport DSA Facebook page by Way Ming Yau yesterday at 16.49hrs. Getting them all excited that Jet2 are coming. I'll only believe it if it happens but have my doubts,

 

[White Heather]

Sorry been out all day so just picked this up, posted on Doncaster Sheffield Airport DSA Facebook page by Way Ming Yau yesterday at 16.49hrs. Getting them all excited that Jet2 are coming. I'll only believe it if it happens but have my doubts,

Just leave this here then. A specialist in freedom of information requests it would seem and clearly very much into all things DSA, although I doubt very much that this information about Jet2 would be obtainable via such a route.

Wai M Yau - Freedom of Information requests

www.whatdotheyknow.com

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Shall we all just chill and read this:

AI search, space travel and Christmas in Cyprus: nine unmissable Jet2 conference takeaways

Jet2holidays returned to Cyprus for its 10th VIP agent conference this week, bringing with them a grumpy time machine to take delegates on a journey through all things Jet2 past, present and future

www.ttgmedia.com

In the article here it is:
"Taking questions from delegates, Jet2.com and Jet2holidays chief executive Steve Heapy was asked whether – with efforts to reopen Doncaster Sheffield( DSA) airport progressing – Jet2 might put any capacity into DSA.


"We will go and have a look at Doncaster," he said. "We've not met them yet, they've only just appointed the airport operator. We get approached by airports all around the UK. So we'll meet them and see what the opportunities are."

Heapy said he hoped to see DSA reopen. "I really do hope for the region that Doncaster works. There have been various attempts to create a viable business there, and it's not really worked. I know they've got a new injection of money that will hopefully make it viable. We will be meeting them in the near future."

Reflecting on Jet2's latest base launch, Luton, Heapy revealed Jet2 had been meeting with the Bedfordshire airport for about eight years before making the leap – with those talks pre-dating its expansion to Liverpool. "Sometimes these things take a bit of time, but we'll certainly have a look at it [DSA]."

(including the need to attract and retain flight crew in the Airbus!)

An airline does not set up a base based attracting flight crew or retaining some flight crew. In fact that's one of the very last considerations if considered at all - as per the above article it's been said Heapy has been meeting with LTN for 8 years. That dates back to 2016 which is way before the Airbus was a thought let alone solid 146 order.

Pre-emptive of easyjet growth at LBA I believe.

You can bet your last dollar with this was parking Jess Glynn on easy's lawn before they parked a see of Orange on her lawn. 100%.

Nothing is impossible, and we know that the council will throw everything at DSA to prove a point, jet2 wouldn’t be a bad horse to back in this one given their strength in the market.

I'd say they'd have to have Jet2 in the bag before making DSA operational. That or TUI. Or both. Mind you .. curve ball with easyJet holidays expanding could they be a good bet?

 

[White Heather]

Shall we all just chill and read this:

AI search, space travel and Christmas in Cyprus: nine unmissable Jet2 conference takeaways

Jet2holidays returned to Cyprus for its 10th VIP agent conference this week, bringing with them a grumpy time machine to take delegates on a journey through all things Jet2 past, present and future

www.ttgmedia.com

In the article here it is:
"Taking questions from delegates, Jet2.com and Jet2holidays chief executive Steve Heapy was asked whether – with efforts to reopen Doncaster Sheffield( DSA) airport progressing – Jet2 might put any capacity into DSA.


"We will go and have a look at Doncaster," he said. "We've not met them yet, they've only just appointed the airport operator. We get approached by airports all around the UK. So we'll meet them and see what the opportunities are."

Heapy said he hoped to see DSA reopen. "I really do hope for the region that Doncaster works. There have been various attempts to create a viable business there, and it's not really worked. I know they've got a new injection of money that will hopefully make it viable. We will be meeting them in the near future."

Reflecting on Jet2's latest base launch, Luton, Heapy revealed Jet2 had been meeting with the Bedfordshire airport for about eight years before making the leap – with those talks pre-dating its expansion to Liverpool. "Sometimes these things take a bit of time, but we'll certainly have a look at it [DSA]."



An airline does not set up a base based attracting flight crew or retaining some flight crew. In fact that's one of the very last considerations if considered at all - as per the above article it's been said Heapy has been meeting with LTN for 8 years. That dates back to 2016 which is way before the Airbus was a thought let alone solid 146 order.



You can bet your last dollar with this was parking Jess Glynn on easy's lawn before they parked a see of Orange on her lawn. 100%.



I'd say they'd have to have Jet2 in the bag before making DSA operational. That or TUI. Or both. Mind you .. curve ball with easyJet holidays expanding could they be a good bet?

Don't suppose it'll take long before this story is developed by the pro DSA lobby into Jet2 abandoning it's LBA base and moving lock stock and barrell to DSA!

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Don't suppose it'll take long before this story is developed by the pro DSA lobby into Jet2 abandoning it's LBA base and moving lock stock and barrell to DSA!

Oh those lunatics supported by local labour Leeds MP's? (Labour apparently pro jobs but anti aviation which is anti jobs). They'll need to sign up onto TTG media as a member first ...

 

[Statto]

You can bet your last dollar with this was parking Jess Glynn on easy's lawn before they parked a see of Orange on her lawn. 100%

Jet2 going into Luton is an opportunity created by new slots being declared - one new slot in each of the first morning departure hours and an increase in the annual passenger air transport movement cap. They look to have seen a one-time window opening and have moved swiftly to secure it.

The easyJet LBA growth for next summer would have been proposed before they could have known about it.

Labour apparently pro jobs but anti aviation which is anti jobs)

The Labour government announced very recently they weren’t against airport expansion and one of the first things they did in power was to overrule Newham council with regard to LCY’s passenger cap

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/londo...s-rayner-overrules-labour-led-newham-council/