TUI Airways

[Matt995]

TUI have so many leased planes at present why are they so short. Two ES-reg 320s ott one behind the other earlier both with TOM call signs.
At least 4 Sunwings,Titan, Avion Wings and more

TUI's summer timetable needs a total of 74 aircraft, the TUI Airways actual current fleet consists of 62 aircraft (will be 63 shortly)

the leased in aircraft for summer should be 15, 7 Sunwing 738's, 4 Avion Express A320's, 2 Titan A320's & 2 Smartlynx A320's

The bases are as follows:-

ABZ 1 B738, Sunwing
BFS 1 B738, Sunwing
BHX 1 B789, 2 B788's, 3 B7M8's, 3 B738s, & 2 B738's, Sunwing
BOH 1 B738
BRS 5 B7M8's
CWL 2 B738's, 1 B738, Sunwing
DUB 2 A320's, Avion Express
EMA 4 B738's, 1 B738, Sunwing
EXT 1 B738
GLA 2 B7M8's
GLA/NCL 1 B788 shared
LGW 2 B789's, 1 B788's, 3 B7M8's, 6 B738's, 1 A320, Titan, 2 A320's, Avion Express
LTN 1 B738
MAN 2 B789's, 2 B788's, 2 B763's, 3 B7M8's, 5 B738's, 2 A320's, Smartlynx
NCL 2 B7M8's, 2 B738's
NWI 1 B738, Sunwing
STN 1 B738, 1 A320, Titan

Spare TUI Aircraft, 2 B738, 1 B789

They also have another B738 to join the fleet shortly, G-FDZR again. G-TUKO B738 is current at Lasham for maintenance , G-TUID B788 is current flying for TUI Netherlands out of AMS

However they are now using the following extra aircraft:- a Getjet B738, BHX, a Getjet A320, LGW & a Privilege Style B752 also at LGW, which can only be down to lack of TUI crew.

 

[Timberwolf]

TUI's summer timetable needs a total of 74 aircraft, the TUI Airways actual current fleet consists of 62 aircraft (will be 63 shortly)

the leased in aircraft for summer should be 15, 7 Sunwing 738's, 4 Avion Express A320's, 2 Titan A320's & 2 Smartlynx A320's

The bases are as follows:-

ABZ 1 B738, Sunwing
BFS 1 B738, Sunwing
BHX 1 B789, 2 B788's, 3 B7M8's, 3 B738s, & 2 B738's, Sunwing
BOH 1 B738
BRS 5 B7M8's
CWL 2 B738's, 1 B738, Sunwing
DUB 2 A320's, Avion Express
EMA 4 B738's, 1 B738, Sunwing
EXT 1 B738
GLA 2 B7M8's
GLA/NCL 1 B788 shared
LGW 2 B789's, 1 B788's, 3 B7M8's, 6 B738's, 1 A320, Titan, 2 A320's, Avion Express
LTN 1 B738
MAN 2 B789's, 2 B788's, 2 B763's, 3 B7M8's, 5 B738's, 2 A320's, Smartlynx
NCL 2 B7M8's, 2 B738's
NWI 1 B738, Sunwing
STN 1 B738, 1 A320, Titan

Spare TUI Aircraft, 2 B738, 1 B789

They also have another B738 to join the fleet shortly, G-FDZR again. G-TUKO B738 is current at Lasham for maintenance , G-TUID B788 is current flying for TUI Netherlands out of AMS

However they are now using the following extra aircraft:- a Getjet B738, BHX, a Getjet A320, LGW & a Privilege Style B752 also at LGW, which can only be down to lack of TUI crew.

Cheers Matt,

That's an astonishing number of leased in planes must be costing rather a fortune .

Only they've ill know why they didn't take their last B789 TUIP which was ready for them in their colours in the USA.

They then sent a 787 to TUI Belguim and moved another SE-RFZ to Manchester.

Can we speculate the severe delays to the B737MAX 10 programme has also impacted there available fleet ?

 

[BhxJack]

G-tuko flying to bhx this evening from Lasham

 

[Creguk]

Why all the leases?

 

[IanFarquharson]

Why all the leases?

As explained by Matt above !
They are 12 aircraft short

 

[Matt995]

next summer will be even more interesting for TUI, as they are planning more aircraft next summer, & the 767s will be gone by then, & there is a question mark if they will be able to have any Sunwing B738s too, so I would expect even more chartered in aircraft.

 

[DarloPlaneBoy]

If you look at the whole TUI Fleet of aircraft then search them on FR24 across the different divisions not including 737-700's or E190's they have plenty of Spare Aircraft they can use if it is an Aircraft Shortage if it is a Crew Shortage they should do a Recruitment drive. I think the Netherlands has two Spare Dreamliners and the Dutch, Belgium and German divisons have lots of spare MAX8's and regular 737-800's

 

[mullion]

how do you know they are spare as they have their own work to do

 

[IanFarquharson]

If you look at the whole TUI Fleet of aircraft then search them on FR24 across the different divisions not including 737-700's or E190's they have plenty of Spare Aircraft they can use if it is an Aircraft Shortage if it is a Crew Shortage they should do a Recruitment drive. I think the Netherlands has two Spare Dreamliners and the Dutch, Belgium and German divisons have lots of spare MAX8's and regular 737-800's

I very much doubt any aircraft are 'spare' this time of the year.

 

[DarloPlaneBoy]

I very much doubt any aircraft are 'spare' this time of the year.

Well on FR24 it says No flights found

 

[Matt995]

Well on FR24 it says No flights found

no idea what your on about, the TUI German/Belgium/Netherlands fleet of aircraft are all curently operating daily, I think they do only have 1 Max at Brussels and 1 788 at Luton for maintenance.

Next year willl be interesting as WestJet have now taken over Sunwing, so none of their 737s will be operated by TUI next summer, and having already indicated we wil get an extra aircraft next summer at BHX, looked like we maybe seeing more Avion Express/SmartLynx A320s, and ever GetJet 738s next year, hopefully TUI wil also have a few more Max's in there fleet too.

 

[DarloPlaneBoy]

no idea what your on about, the TUI German/Belgium/Netherlands fleet of aircraft are all curently operating daily, I think they do only have 1 Max at Brussels and 1 788 at Luton for maintenance.

Next year willl be interesting as WestJet have now taken over Sunwing, so none of their 737s will be operated by TUI next summer, and having already indicated we wil get an extra aircraft next summer at BHX, looked like we maybe seeing more Avion Express/SmartLynx A320s, and ever GetJet 738s next year, hopefully TUI wil also have a few more Max's in there fleet too.

I did track them last week to be honest so they may be Tracking now.

 

[Matt995]

Any one have any infromation how long GetJet will be operating their 738 out of of BHX for? Will it be all summer now? currently we have 2 TUI 738s parked up today at BHX, why cant one of these aircraft operate instead of the Getjet 738? It does now looks like TUI have decided to base their spare 738's at BHX, I guess Birmingham being in the middle of the UK, it makes sense, so they can position them to anther UK airports if required easier, with less positioning flight time required!

 

[jon01]

Any one have any infromation how long GetJet will be operating their 738 out of of BHX for? Will it be all summer now? currently we have 2 TUI 738s parked up today at BHX, why cant one of these aircraft operate instead of the Getjet 738? It does now looks like TUI have decided to base their spare 738's at BHX, I guess Birmingham being in the middle of the UK, it makes sense, so they can position them to anther UK airports if required easier, with less positioning flight time required!

Not enough UK crews!

 

[Timberwolf]

Going to be even more interesting next summer.

Their B767s so this Oct, Sunwing contract ends as WestJet are taking the airline over.

No more new 787s being taken, and a requirement for another 4 narrowbody units for their expanding programme in the UK next summer.

 

[Matt995]

I believe our TUI subchartered GetJet resident, B738 LY-UNO will be leaving us very soon, as its due to position out to Riga very shortly.

TUI have more cabin crew available from the start of July, so hopefully we should see all the TUI flights operared by TUI Airways and Sunwing for the rest of summer!

 

[rollo]

Good to see things with TUI looking more settled now with the GetJet 737 having left as per Matt995. Just Sunwings operating alongside TUI's aircraft as planned although there still seems a fair few positioning flights over the last few days mostly to/from Manchester or Gatwick but also Cardiff and Norwich, presumably they are planned although today a 737H positioned out to Cardiff in the early hours to be replaced around) 07:30 by another 737H from Gatwick.

Anyway good to see things on a more even keel, just waiting for the French air traffic controllers to mess things up any day now.

 

[Matt995]

Current TUI Summer Flights 2024

First the goods news, and TUI will indeed be basing an extra aircraft at BHX taking it up to 12 airframes

Now, the bad news, as mentioned Almeria (x2) has been dropped, along with 1 Orlando flight.

The other bad news is one of the B788s will be based else where, so we will only have 1 B789 & 1 B788 doing a mix of short and long haul flying.

The base will therefore be:- 1 B789, 1 B788, 2 A320's (presumably Avion Express or Smart Lynx), and 8 737s (mix of B738's and Maxs)

B789 schedule:-

Origin	Flight No.	Dept	Arr.		A/C		M	Tu	W	Th	F	Sa	Su
Kos	TOM		01:55		789		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Punta Cana	TOM	11:30			789		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Punta Cana	TOM		06:35		789		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Montego Bay	TOM	10:40			789		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Montego Bay	TOM		07:30		789		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Cancun	TOM	11:35			789		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Cancun	TOM		08:50		789		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Orlando Melbourne	TOM	10:50			789		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Orlando Melbourne	TOM		05:40		789		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Punta Cana	TOM	11:00			789		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Punta Cana	TOM		06:15		789		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Montego Bay	TOM	09:05			789		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Montego Bay	TOM		06:00		789		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Malaga	TOM	08:00			789		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Malaga	TOM		15:00		789		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Kos	TOM	16:30			789		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su

B788 schedule:-

Origin	Flight No.	Dept	Arr.		A/C		M	Tu	W	Th	F	Sa	Su
Cancun	TOM		08:55		788		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Orlando Melbourne	TOM	11:30			788		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Palma	TOM	06:00			788		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Orlando Melbourne	TOM		06:20		788		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Palma	TOM		12:10		788		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Sal	TOM	13:45			788		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Sal	TOM		02:30		788		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Kos	TOM	07:00			788		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Kos	TOM		16:25		788		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Palma	TOM	06:35			788		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Palma	TOM		12:45		788		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Dalaman	TOM	15:05			788		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Dalaman	TOM		00:40		788		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Palma	TOM	06:15			788		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Palma	TOM		12:25		788		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Sal	TOM	14:20			788		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Sal	TOM		03:05		788		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Cancun	TOM	09:10			788		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Cancun	TOM		06:25		788		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Cancun	TOM	11:40			788		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su

A320's schedule:-

Origin	Flight No.	Dept	Arr.		A/C		M	Tu	W	Th	F	Sa	Su
Arrecife	TOM		01:10		320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Tenerife South	TOM		02:30		320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Corfu	TOM	06:00			320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Thessaloniki	TOM	06:00			320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Corfu	TOM		13:30		320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Thessaloniki	TOM		13:55		320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Larnaca	TOM	15:00			320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Bourgas	TOM	15:55			320		M	.	.	.	.	.	.
Bourgas	TOM		00:15		320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Larnaca	TOM		01:40		320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Gerona	TOM	06:00			320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Reus	TOM	06:15			320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Gerona	TOM		11:05		320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Reus	TOM		11:35		320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Zakynthos	TOM	12:35			320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Kefalonia	TOM	12:45			320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Zakynthos	TOM		20:50		320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Kefalonia	TOM		20:50		320		.	Tu	.	.	.	.	.
Verona	TOM	06:40			320		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Rhodes	TOM	07:00			320		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Verona	TOM		11:55		320		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Rhodes	TOM		16:40		320		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Tenerife South	TOM	17:55			320		.	.	W	.	.	.	.
Tenerife South	TOM		03:30		320		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Corfu	TOM	06:00			320		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Kefalonia	TOM	06:30			320		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Corfu	TOM		13:30		320		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Kefalonia	TOM		14:35		320		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Larnaca	TOM	14:55			320		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Heraklion	TOM	16:55			320		.	.	.	Th	.	.	.
Larnaca	TOM		01:35		320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Heraklion	TOM		02:05		320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Corfu	TOM	07:10			320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Zakynthos	TOM	07:25			320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Corfu	TOM		14:40		320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Zakynthos	TOM		15:40		320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Naples	TOM	16:55			320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Larnaca	TOM	17:50			320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Naples	TOM		23:30		320		.	.	.	.	F	.	.
Larnaca	TOM		04:20		320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Gerona	TOM	06:25			320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Reus	TOM	07:00			320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Gerona	TOM		11:45		320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Reus	TOM		12:25		320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Dalaman	TOM	13:50			320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Antalya	TOM	14:05			320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Dalaman	TOM		23:30		320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Antalya	TOM		23:50		320		.	.	.	.	.	Sa	.
Kavala	TOM	06:00			320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Kefalonia	TOM	06:30			320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Dalaman	FHY		08:40		320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Dalaman	FHY	09:40			320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Kavala	TOM		14:00		320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Kefalonia	TOM		14:35		320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Arrecife	TOM	16:00			320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su
Tenerife South	TOM	16:55			320		.	.	.	.	.	.	Su

all the other flights will be on the 737.

We can however expect more tweeks and changes before Summer 2024 starts!!

 

[thunderchild]

Might have been tempted for a trip to Kos next year on a Dreamliner but given the terrible on time performances so far this summer (and we haven’t reached the peak season yet) I’m not filled with much confidence.

 

[Timberwolf]

The other bad news is one of the B788s will be based else where, so we will only have 1 B789 & 1 B788 doing a mix of short and long haul flying

The problem is TUI have got into a strange pickle.

Bizarrely not taking 789 TUIP which was awaiting delivery too them in their colours.

With the other widebodies (the 763s) going this winter they would be short of high capacity planes for any further expansion.

Matt do they plan to lease in more widebodies next summer otherwise they can at best only tread water on long haul ??