Route Development & Rumours

[thunderchild]

Yet MAN continues to add routes on a seemingly daily basis - another six Ryanair routes added today. Would love to know what kind of insensitives and subsidies MAG give all these airlines.

 

[jfy1999]

Yet MAN continues to add routes on a seemingly daily basis - another six Ryanair routes added today. Would love to know what kind of insensitives and subsidies MAG give all these airlines.

In that particular case, I suspect easyJet may well be a factor. None of those destinations are new to MAN and most are served by easyJet.

If easyJet made a move on BHX I would be very surprised if Ryanair didn't fight back, but routes are often trashed when those two compete.

Luton-Copenhagen is a great example: it saw 767,732 passengers in 2016 thanks to the rock-bottom prices. It couldn't last though and easyJet eventually pulled out while Ryanair cut their flights massively.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Yet MAN continues to add routes on a seemingly daily basis - another six Ryanair routes added today. Would love to know what kind of insensitives and subsidies MAG give all these airlines.

The difference is the routes at MAN will most likely remain and see long term growth, at BHX they'd be gone after 6 months.

For as long as I can remember it has been the same, whenever a new airline or route starts the first question on peoples minds is 'I wonder how long that will last?' People are asking it now about Air Arabia. Of course there have been some successes but I've never known an airport have so many airlines or routes go after a just season or two, is no one asking the question WHY?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Change is needed.

 

[Ashley]

Absolutely agree with Ray on why it's always the case with BHX. I've been asking myself how the airports like Bristol and Luton have out performed BHX in the last 10 years or so on their European routes. Had the airport had better dealings with the likes of Easy jet or Ryan Air back then no doubt BHX could have been par with Luton. You get tired of hearing BHX is geographically in the wrong place. Airport could have used this to its advantage but poor decisions have put BHX where they are now.

 

[Ianbutty]

It is either stupidity, unfair competition (BAA was split up due to that maybe another group should be investigated) or the airport needs to dump the councillors and be far less risk adverse and do what that Group does.

Something is seriously wrong.

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there Ray and all, as I have said many times before in the past, Birmingham Airports problems and issues have always been due management mis running the airport and ridiculous decisions made which has caused it to be in its current position where all those other airlines have since disappeared altogether leaving in very small to medium growth expansion. Look at all airports that are small than birmingham, they seem to have no problem with other airlines and expansion... Andyc

 

[Creguk]

I get the impression that management are simply happy with the way things are at BHX.

 

[hay677]

I get the impression that management are simply happy with the way things are at BHX.

Or they're simply waiting for someone to be appointed to start managing.

 

[smithy108]

Its been mentioned by several contributors, the lack of or the visibility to a clear long term ( and maybe short term) strategy is impacting the airport. You cant run any organisation without a clear leader who has the aspiration, drive, passion and vision. If the board members are the obstacle with local authority thinking then these have to be removed and can probably only be achieved by a sale. I maybe doing the LA members a dis-service as they could be very competent but not if they cant see what the business needs.
The length of time its taking to get a stable and permanent senior management team in place suggests they are struggling. Meanwhile everything goes downhill and then any new CEO will have to spend the first couple of years sorting out the mess rather than getting on with achieving the long term objectives against a clear plan

 

[jfy1999]

I think someone should approach Global Infrastructure Partners and see if they're interested.

Under their ownership, LGW and EDI have both had a massive influx of new airlines, new routes, and growth from based carriers as well as significant infrastructure developments.

GIP don't own any other UK airport, and EDI and LGW are probably the two major airports least likely to be affected by a growing Midlands hub, so GIP wouldn't be competing against themselves if they took over BHX.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Its been mentioned by several contributors, the lack of or the visibility to a clear long term ( and maybe short term) strategy is impacting the airport. You cant run any organisation without a clear leader who has the aspiration, drive, passion and vision.

From the outside looking in it certainly appears as if there is a lack of long term vision, they just seem to be bumbling from airline to airline with the revolving door showing no sign of slowing.

I'm actually at the point where I'd rather Air Baltic and Finnair stay away until things are more settled, that way we may avoid the disappointment of them pulling out in 18 months never to return.

 

[Seasider]

C'mon BHX lads, don't be down in the dumps. Airports have always gained airlines only to lose them quickly after, don't forget the increases over the last couple of years. Time will come (hopefully soon) when you will be welcoming the new services to the airport.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Time will come (hopefully soon) when you will be welcoming the new services to the airport.

Attracting new services isn't the issue, it's keeping them for more than a season or two.

I guess the upside is the fire service get plenty of water arch practice

 

[Deleted member 8862]

I strongly suggest that Brexit is having a direct impact on airlines plans as it seems to be with
other businesses.

 

[mullion]

Not up in Manchester it isn`t

 

[Ianbutty]

Not up in Manchester it isn`t

It will. Massive impact. After all unless we reach a new agreement all flights to Europe could be grounded. Daft to think how daft all this is.

 

[mullion]

The the airlines must be confident as Ryanair have just added 6 new routes this week

 

[Scottie Dog]

It will. Massive impact. After all unless we reach a new agreement all flights to Europe could be grounded. Daft to think how daft all this is.

There is an interesting post by EGCC_MAN in the Birmingham General Discussion thread from a few days ago with regards to how the UK might be effected by a "no deal Brexit". Definitely worth spending a few minutes finding and then reading it.

Any deal will be felt over the whole of the country and not just a specific airport. I will be honest and say that I'm slightly surprised at Ryanair's current approach but that has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Brum X]

The the airlines must be confident as Ryanair have just added 6 new routes this week

Do you need to remind us, lol

 

[mullion]

Sorry was actually mean`t to say that the airlines are still adding routes so not Brexit.
I don`t understand BHX as they are either boom or bust no happy medium