Route Development & Rumours

[Aviador]

Re: Potential Routes

Whatever the outcome Hassaan does have a point here. The Birmingham area does have a massive Indian population and this must be taken into account when deciding which airport to use. The lack of competition on US flights at Birmingham may also prove inviting for Air India.

In favour of Dublin the clearance facility could prove irresistible when the airline decides which airport to use.

 

[User0001]

Re: Potential Routes

I just dont get the DUB pre-clearance.

The pre clearance will save you what, 10 mins of Queuing time. On a 14+ hour flight the DUB stop will create, especially whe AI is famous for running late, are you really going to notice that 10 mins.

Personally, BHX makes more sense, when the runway is extended, as at both DUB/BHX, your loads would be limited, so at BHX you couldnt take advantage of the huge population anyway.
BHX has also already proven itself with the ATQ-BHX-YYZ flights.
MAN could provide a good intarim until the BHX runway is ready, but, like most AI decesions, DUB dosnt make an sense.

 

[Hassaan]

Re: Potential Routes

I mean, not only does BHX have larger population of Indians, but it's already done before and the lack of US flights etc, will benefit the airport. I still don't get why Dublin is offering low landing fees but we'll hope that AI will make a last minute decision to choose BHX...

I wonder what else BHX is considering right now.

 

[pug]

Re: Potential Routes

I mean, not only does BHX have larger population of Indians, but it's already done before and the lack of US flights etc, will benefit the airport. I still don't get why Dublin is offering low landing fees but we'll hope that AI will make a last minute decision to choose BHX...

I wonder what else BHX is considering right now.

Hassaan, you really need to start taking notice of people such as world-rep, your posts are suggesting you are learning nothing.

DUB will offer low charges so they can attract AI. AI probably dont care too much for 'benefitting the airport', more about what benefit will there be for them.

Hassaan, the third and last time I will post this link for you

http://www.therouteshop.com/birmingham-airport/

READ IT!

 

[Hassaan]

Re: Potential Routes

Right, here is a list of routes which could work at BHX, and I would like someone to say if they would work and why. Note that I haven't emailed an airline, I just want to know.

- Kingfisher - BLR-ATQ-BHX-JFK
- Jet Airways - BOM-ATQ-BHX
- Iberia/Easyjet/Ryanair - BHX-MAD
- AA - BHX-JFK
- Qatar - DOH-BHX
- Saudi Arabian - JED-BHX
- Singapore - SIN-LHE/ATQ/DEL/IST-BHX
- Links to European capitals as posted on 'The Route Shop'
- Shaheen Air (peculiar PK airline!) - KHE-ISB-BHX-JFK/ORD/YYZ
- Delta - ATL/JFK-BHX
- Etihad - AUH-BHX
- PIA - LHE/KHI-BHX & five weekly ISB-BHX
- Virgin Atlantic Airways - BHX-MCO

 

[User0001]

Re: Potential Routes

Hassan,

We have seemed to go over this, over and over and over, but, alas, I will try once more:

Kingfisher- They would need considerable one world feed at any UK point, so either more LHR flights, or possible a MAN/EDI.
Jet-Focus has shifted to MAN, Ive explained before that they have set up the facilities at MAN, so unlikely to choose BHX.
Easyjet/Ryanair to Madrid- Could work, but, its hard to understand what is stopping Ryanair at the moment. There is a base at each end, yet MAN got a route while BHX didnt. About the only route on your list I could see happening.
AA to JFK- AA have no interest in BHX, CO cant make a year round daily to EWR work, so AA would struggle.
Saudi to Jeddah-They would have an issue, as even with guranteed cargo (that they had to put on special charters for), they couldnt get MAN to pay, so BHX would struggle so close to heathrow.
Singapore Airlines- Absalutely no chance whatsoever. There are far more airports around Europe that are screaming for SQ service, and with 2xA380s and a B773 to fill at LHR, then a B773 to fill at MAN, BHX is so far off their radar its hard to comment. As for a LHE stopover, hmmm, dont think they would go for that in this lifetime.
Links to european capitals off the routeshop-depends how serious BHX are at reducing their sky high charges and getting airlines in. But, in a boom year when many airlines have announced UK services, you have to wonder just what BHX is doing?
Shaheen air PAK-BHX-USA- erm, it would help if the airline was looking at entering the USA market, or even the UK market for that matter. No point trying to attract an airline that isnt even interested in eith market full stop?
Delta- Unlikely, as LHR is their new Lovechild, BHX is too close to be considered.
PIA-LHE/KHI is unlikely, and I thought a 5 weekly to ISB was realistic, but, they have just downgraded their flights from 3xB773/1xB772 to an all B772 operation. Not a great sign surely?
Etihad/Qatar- The fact they have both just increased MAN is not a great sign, especially since QR stated MAN is the gateway of choice for midlands passengers. I wouldnt hold your breath. Maybe in 304 years, but deffinatly not 2011/2012.
Virgin- No way. The B744 is too big for BHX-MCO, and the A330 is tied up in other missions, so no chance. Even if they swapped the A330 on MAN-MCO for a B744 once more, they would more likely use that A330 for carribean routes ex-MAN, as they have a swanky new V-room to justify at MAN, and 2 daily flights is hardly over use of the lounge.

 

[Hassaan]

Re: Potential Routes

Well, I see that the reason BHX isn't attracting enough airlines is because the landing charges are too high. Around £10.71 per pax at BHX and around £3 per pax at MAN. What difference does it make?

 

[News Guru]

[textarea]Leasing dispute hits Birmingham Airport – Tehran flight

Passengers were caught up in a leasing dispute at Birmingham Airport yesterday. More than 100 Tehran-bound passengers were hit by a dispute which involved an Iranian airline and a leasing company.

Yesterday's 14:30 Mahan Air flight for Tehran had been grounded after GECAS Aircraft Leasing and Financing Solutions company seized the plane due to operate the service. Some passengers were transferred to another flight, whilst others were sent home. A representative for Mahan Air will be at the airport on Friday to help those passengers who still wish to fly.

Source[/textarea]

 

[Aviador]

Mahan Airways suspends flights

It's looking like the Mahan Air flight from Birmingham to Tehran has been suspended.

 

[CL44]

Well the Mahan A310 is still parked up on the remote stands. My question is how long do you think she might stay there until the Leasing Company decide to remove her to another airfield for re-painting and positioning with another Airline. After all the aircraft should be able to be put back into service reasonably quickly (considering the season we are in). Or will the leasing company have to keep her available to be returned to Mahan pending any action being taken behind the scenes.

Will the leasing company have to refund any monies that have been paid up front by Mahan, or will they leave her until that money has run out and then go through the rigmarole of re-painting and offering out to other Airlines?

 

[CL44]

Well. Now there is a turn up for the books. Looking through the flight guide for December I notice that Mahan are due to fly back into BHX from the 22nd December (a Thursday) on a once a week basis with an A313. I wonder if they will send the Ex Luftwaffe one that they have (apparently) got their hands on! :s_dunno

On a more serious note will they be able to source fuel from BHX due to the sanctions currently in place. I have not checked to see if Mahan are on the list issued by the UN as affented Companies but would be interested to find out.

 

[tate]

Re: Route Development

BHX is good for start-ups. Are slots better available than at LGW,LHR and MAN. And the BHX charges as compared to the other airports??

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[tleeds]

Re: Route Development

Welcome to Forums4Airports tate!

You make a very good point there! The fact that BHX isn't as busy as LGW, LHR, or MAN is a good starting point! The airport has a collection of; schedueled/charter carriers, long haul operators and also regional airlines, so pretty much every base is covered in terms of destinations, at the moment though!

They have just announced plans, on the BHX Airport thread, for a £65m development of the airport, enabling to carry even more passengers, cater for more airlines and hopefully become even more dominant in the UK!

You mention charges as well.. I'm not sure how much they charge, and I think that information is kept 'a secret' on the basis that certain airports will offer different airlines, different rates - so you could probably imagine the screaming and shouting from some airlines when they find a rival is getting the same treatments for cheaper!

Like you say though, potentially good for start-ups, the problem is, what would they offer that isn't currently operated from BHX...?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Re: Route Development

I always think that airports' advertised charges, and I'm not talking about major airports like Heathrow where slots are like gold and cost even more, are a bit like goods in an antiques shop.

They form the basis for negotiation and bargaining.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Re: Route Development

Commencing 28th October 2012, SAS to start another direct service from BHX; to Stockholm ARL 6 days a week.

Days 1-5 Departure from ARL 11.15 and day 7 11.25
Return from BHX is 13.30 days 1 -5 and day 7 is 13.40.
Flight is expected to operate on a Boeing 737 NG.

http://www.boarding.no/art.asp?id=50049

 

[Ray Finkle]

Re: Route Development

Turkish airlines up to 10 weekly next summer. Extra flights on Mon, Thu and Sun.

 

[Aviador]

Re: Route Development

Thanks ray finkle.

Turkish Airlines seem to be expanding a fair but at the moment. They have recently expanded their Manchester operation too.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Re: Route Development

Timings for the new Turkish flights

Istanbul – Birmingham Service increases from daily to 10 weekly
TK1967 IST0810 – 1015BHX 738 x26
TK1969 IST1255 – 1505BHX 738 x35

TK1968 BHX1115 – 1710IST 738 x26
TK1970 BHX1605 – 2155IST 738 x35

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/30/tk-e ... 13update2/

They're also launching 5x weekly flights to the Maldives, the timings don't seem too bad.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/30/tk-mle-w12/

 

[Aviador]

Re: Route Development

Turkish Airlines seem to be expanding rapidly at the moment. I think they've announced similar capacity increases at Manchester too.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Re: Route Development

If they're not already I don't think it'll be long before they're giving Emirates a run for their money. Hopefully add Qatar in too later in the year and it'll be interesting to see what happens :smile: