Route Development & Rumours

[Ray Finkle]

London and Chicago are obviously linked but yet no need to mention that?

 

[Brum X]

But its the MAN supporters who start the debate, if you are better than that then why cant you help yourselves and stay off this thread. This is about BHX and the city of Birmingham to which the city is generally described as the second city.
ethanegcc made second city comments only the other week on the MAN thread (cant remember which one), the only difference was that no BHX supporters fuelled the fire, we stayed away.

 

[User001]

See, see what it's started. This is why it needs to stay off this forum. Everyone starts taking offence and it goes down hill.

It has no place, it doesn't need to be here and we can post on here without all this 'second city' nonsense. And it is nonsense, the U.K. Doesn't have a 'second city' anymore, it has a capital, and regional cities. That's it.

 

[User001]

But its the MAN supporters who start the debate, if you are better than that then why cant you help yourselves and stay off this thread. This is about BHX and the city of Birmingham to which the city is generally described as the second city.
ethanegcc made second city comments only the other week on the MAN thread (cant remember which one), the only difference was that no BHX supporters fuelled the fire, we stayed away.

BrumX, you started the debate this time, don't give me that.

I'm genuinely not interested in the second city debate. It's dull, it's boring, it's nonsense, it's old, it's no longer relevant. Cities are going in their own directions, lets just leave it at that.

I'm not condoning the MAN supporters coming on here, I may have missed the ref on the MAN thread but I'll gladly say the same thing on there, I'm saying this as everyone needs to stop. I've already stopped reading SSC because of all the s**t posted on there, we don't need it on here too.

 

[Brum X]

BrumX, you started the debate this time, don't give me that.

I'm genuinely not interested in the second city debate. It's dull, it's boring, it's nonsense, it's old, it's no longer relevant. Cities are going in their own directions, lets just leave it at that.

I'm not condoning the MAN supporters coming on here, I'm saying this as everyone needs to stop. I've already stopped reading SSC because of all the s**t posted on there, we don't need it on here.

I will say again, this thread is about BHX and Birmingham which is generally described as the "Second City"
Throughout much of the 20th and 21st Century Birmingham has generally been regarded as the second city of the United Kingdom in terms of populace and GDP while Edinburgh has been promoted as the second city by virtue as the capital of Scotland.[1][2] Less authoratitive claims have been made on behalf of Cardiff &Belfast due to their status as the respective capital cities of Wales & Northern Ireland

 

[Ray Finkle]

That will be the last word on anything to do with the Second City. I agree that it has no place on here and anything further will be deleted.

 

[ronnoc1k8]

Something bigger then a B752 should be used.

 

[Jerry]

No comment

Southwest doing transatlantic flights would be massive! They make Ryanair look small!

 

[Brum X]

Something bigger then a B752 should be used.

Yeah i agree, the 767-300 should be used on BHX-ORD to make the route attractive. ORD is too far on a 757.

 

[richard winterbourn]

Look, this is a BHX thread and if we want to talk about local matters then i respectfully suggest that posters from outside the region refrain from making any comment whatsoever. While there is a SSC thread, nonetheless that topic might come up in terms of our own parochial pride. I am frankly not interested in anything that happens in MAN but i will defend my right to talk about the city of my birth, its history, its culture and the endearing terms with which we refer to it, whether it be Second City, Brummagem or whatever.

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there ray and all, I fully understand and accept and support what Richard is saying, and yes I was also born fifty years ago this December at Marston Green hospital, which is not that far from Birmingham airport, although I now live in Warwickshire, some thirty minutes from Birmingham airport, I'm still a local person, having grown up with the old elmdon airport first before the current terminal was built in the middle eighties, so I have always been and will always be very much one hundred per cent for the airports expansion in any shape of form, yes I will also defend birmingham as much as I can against outsiders like Richard has pointed out, but in this particular situation, with uk airport expansion, non London airports have got to come together, put rivalry to one side and get the best deal what we can get..andyc

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Look, this is a BHX thread and if we want to talk about local matters then i respectfully suggest that posters from outside the region refrain from making any comment whatsoever.

I feel deeply hurt by this. I was born and brought up in Bloxwich, Walsall. As soon as I was able, I spent much pocket money and time getting myself to and from BHX. After graduation and whilst working at Aston University, I spent just about every spare moment at BHX.
For work, I've since moved to Cambridge. However, as soon as I'm back in Birmingham (several times per year) my overriding wish is to get back to BHX and do some photography. I love BHX in the same way that people love their football team.
Do you now consider me an 'outsider' and therefore I should be banned from posting on this forum?


I'd also like to stand up for other posters from outside the region. One who stands out (although there are many others), is User001.
User001's posts are on the whole very informative, balanced and seem to come from a knowledgeable background. Only when provoked, does this poster drop into the BHX/MAN debate.
I would much rather keep these insightful posts.
For my own part, whenever the BHX/MAN debate has reared it's ugly head, I've turned a blind eye.
Yes, I do compare BHX with MAN (and other airports), but not on a personal level. When the CAA release pax figures, it's natural to compare these with other UK airports, but there is no malice in it.
Let's get back to posting about BHX (wherever you live), with respect and tolerance for everyone.

Rant over!

Kevin

 

[Brum X]

Look, this is a BHX thread and if we want to talk about local matters then i respectfully suggest that posters from outside the region refrain from making any comment whatsoever. While there is a SSC thread, nonetheless that topic might come up in terms of our own parochial pride. I am frankly not interested in anything that happens in MAN but i will defend my right to talk about the city of my birth, its history, its culture and the endearing terms with which we refer to it, whether it be Second City, Brummagem or whatever.

With you 100%, as i said yesterday the BHX thread is about the airport but also the City Of Birmingham and if we make reference to that statement, its becouse it is part of our city whether some people like it or not.

 

[User001]

Look, this is why I suggested the 'second city' debate be left of the forum, as it creates arguments whether you like it or not.

I understand there is civic pride from both sides, I understand that people are passionate about their cities (I'm a MAN fan but don't reside in Manchester) and I have no horse in the 'second city' debate. That was never in question and it personally doesn't offend me, I frankly couldn't care less, but, it's what the debate brings out from both sides that gets ugly.

I've not once suggested the cities as a whole can not be brought into the thread, because yes, demographics do play a part in understanding how the city works, but, I just think the 'second city' debate never leads to any good. It's not that the debate should be censored fully, it's just, well, look At this thread already, need I say more. I've never encountered a debate about this that has ended well, and as said, I enjoy this forum for the fact the vast majority of us get on for the best part, let's not ruin it over a debate that I don't think will ever be settled in my lifetime at least, it's pointless.

There's no point telling people 'your an outsider, don't post about it etc', I may be a MAN fan, but, I am an enthusiast all round so have an interest in BHX too, my family on my dads side hails from Birmingham, so, It's a bit unfair to tell someone they can't post because of their perceived location.

On top of all that, the moderator of this thread has asked for it to be left off here, and above all, we need to respect those requests.

 

[hammerb32]

Checked in this morning on AA131, check in girl had a star alliance badge on her lapel.

 

[Brum X]

Checked in this morning on AA131, check in girl had a star alliance badge on her lapel.

That is hilarious

 

[route66]

Look, this is why I suggested the 'second city' debate be left of the forum, as it creates arguments whether you like it or not.

I understand there is civic pride from both sides, I understand that people are passionate about their cities (I'm a MAN fan but don't reside in Manchester) and I have no horse in the 'second city' debate. That was never in question and it personally doesn't offend me, I frankly couldn't care less, but, it's what the debate brings out from both sides that gets ugly.

I've not once suggested the cities as a whole can not be brought into the thread, because yes, demographics do play a part in understanding how the city works, but, I just think the 'second city' debate never leads to any good. It's not that the debate should be censored fully, it's just, well, look At this thread already, need I say more. I've never encountered a debate about this that has ended well, and as said, I enjoy this forum for the fact the vast majority of us get on for the best part, let's not ruin it over a debate that I don't think will ever be settled in my lifetime at least, it's pointless.

There's no point telling people 'your an outsider, don't post about it etc', I may be a MAN fan, but, I am an enthusiast all round so have an interest in BHX too, my family on my dads side hails from Birmingham, so, It's a bit unfair to tell someone they can't post because of their perceived location.

On top of all that, the moderator of this thread has asked for it to be left off here, and above all, we need to respect those requests.

As someone who hasn't posted often on here I think I can speak from a more neutral standpoint.

The problem is User100 you acted as the moderator before the actual moderator was given a chance to. Surely BHX contributor's can talk about what they like until a moderator has their say.

It's quite possible that the discussion would have carried on unhindered if you hadn't intervened and tied the hands of the assigned moderator.

 

[Glenn Eldridge]

Checked in this morning on AA131, check in girl had a star alliance badge on her lapel.

Check in staff for American are employed by Aviator and not American, last night one of the gate staff on Air India had a Pakistan flag badge on her lanyard, lots of staff have different badges they wear each day.

 

[Butty]

My apologies to Ray and all, but I mentioned 'second city' sometime yesterday, albeit in reference to Chicago not brum. The point being that as such an important city, it will be great have it back on our schedules. Never thought the debate would follow. Anyway according to Mark Steel and the good hippies of Hebden Bridge on radio 4 on Wednesday evening, that mighty metropolis is the second city. All for that.

 

[jfy1999]

Glenn – is there still talk of Delta among the BHX ground staff or has it died down?