Airport seeks legal clarification on night flying

[Aviador]

I have it on good authority that Look North were sniffing around on Saturday trying to get some "windy" landings. There was apparently also an opportunity to speak to them. Shame I wasn't around else they may just have got a piece of my mind, especially if it was SS that was there

Pitty, the wind was straight down the runway.

 

[The Pole]

I have it on good authority that Look North were sniffing around on Saturday trying to get some "windy" landings. There was apparently also an opportunity to speak to them. Shame I wasn't around else they may just have got a piece of my mind, especially if it was SS that was there

The reporter was Dave Edwards and it didnt appear to be a negative report. Looked like he was near the fence by the tunnel from memory

 

[White Heather]

Pitty, the wind was straight down the runway.

LBA was the place to be at the weekend judging by some of the landings I've seen over the hill and at Glasgow.

 

[Snackbar]

Well, I can tell you they've already made their case for Rule 6 status successfully and their in. They will be there fighting to damage our airport in March, assuming they have the money which I'm sure they will given there is clearly support from their anti aviation mates around the UK.

Let's hope there's some supportive public in there too giving them a rough ride. No doubt the BBC and their anti airport reporter will have it in their diary already so they can give them a prime time interview.

Won’t make a jot of difference to the outcome either way - their arguments will have already been shared with LBA when LCC was looking at the CLUEDs- the Council had an obligation then to share any information they received. The inspector also has an obligation to share with the airport any information received prior to the enquiry. It is the same KC they used before when the Council was looking at the CLUEDs so the airport will be well aware of the great unwashed position.
I really don’t know why they bother with this KC on planning applications- I presume she is some eco warrior giving the anti aviation lobby a cheap rate! She has lost every case she has been involved in re airport development elsewhere and at LBA - she simply repeats the same mantra and arguments which have been rejected by both the planning inspectorate and the High Court! She also was appalling on the video link to the LBA planning enquiry - stumbling her notes and timed out before she could present her full case…..

Oh I forgot she also lost the London City airport case just this summer

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The UK government approved London City Airport's passenger cap increase to nine million but denied extending Saturday operating hours.

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[White Heather]

Yes, no secrets with this inquiry. LBA will he made aware of their arguments. They're already aware of them participating and expected it.

Won’t make a jot of difference to the outcome either way - their arguments will have already been shared with LBA when LCC was looking at the CLUEDs- the Council had an obligation then to share any information they received. The inspector also has an obligation to share with the airport any information received prior to the enquiry. It is the same KC they used before when the Council was looking at the CLUEDs so the airport will be well aware of the great unwashed position.
I really don’t know why they bother with this KC on planning applications- I presume she is some eco warrior giving the anti aviation lobby a cheap rate! She has lost every case she has been involved in re airport development elsewhere and at LBA - she simply repeats the same mantra and arguments which have been rejected by both the planning inspectorate and the High Court! She also was appalling on the video link to the LBA planning enquiry - stumbling her notes and timed out before she could present her full case…..

Oh I forgot she also lost the London City airport case just this summer

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Dr Lois Lane? Did Superman turn up too?

 

[Len Fish]

This is a copy of the reply I got from LBAs director who is in charge of all things CLEUD related.
It’s just called a public inquiry as it’s open for the public to attend, but not participate in. The arguments are made by Barristers on both sides.

Given that they who cannot be named (TWCBN) can now participate either LBA were misinformed or they did not want to tip off the opposition regarding Rule 6 status. I suspect there’s a lot of cat and mouse going on. Let’s hope whoever chairs this inquiry has a strong arm to keep TWCBN’s Barrister on the straight and narrow and not allow her to regurgitate all the old arguments that are irrelevant to this purely legal matter.

 

[White Heather]

Given that they who cannot be named (TWCBN) can now participate either LBA were misinformed or they did not want to tip off the opposition regarding Rule 6 status. I suspect there’s a lot of cat and mouse going on. Let’s hope whoever chairs this inquiry has a strong arm to keep TWCBN’s Barrister on the straight and narrow and not allow her to regurgitate all the old arguments that are irrelevant to this purely legal matter.

Ideally she will wander off into the realms of the irrelevant, be put to rights by the Inspector, persist, and eventually be disregarded as a representative of a bunch of NIMBYs .

 

[752]

Good news from BHX, obviously BHX council see the economic benefits

Extra night flights at Birmingham Airport set for go-ahead

A report by Solihull Council recommends plans be approved early in the new year.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Good news from BHX, obviously BHX council see the economic benefits

Extra night flights at Birmingham Airport set for go-ahead

A report by Solihull Council recommends plans be approved early in the new year.

www.bbc.co.uk

"The over-arching agreement on the airport's operations was last updated 15 years ago and Solihull Council said the aviation industry had changed substantially since then."

Can we see LCC taking this stance?

 

[Finger66]

Think the probable answer to that is shorter than "yes"

 

[752]

Hopefully LBA can use this in their defence also. Competitor airports getting the go ahead. LBA can not be left behind.

 

[Finger66]

Absolutely. It has to be fair and equal - something LCC are not very good at when it comes to LBA. However the fact it will go to appeal as necessary has to surely work in LBA's favour when it comes to a level playing field (even if we don't have a level airfield)!

 

[752]

Im still bitter about the brand spanking new terminal not going ahead (even though LCC did approve) which does show them in a positive light for supporting LBA. Hopefully down the line we can get the planning permission over the line to build a new terminal.

I did hear somewhere council / gov was encouraging building on green land (not sure how true) & don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Aviador]

"The over-arching agreement on the airport's operations was last updated 15 years ago and Solihull Council said the aviation industry had changed substantially since then."

Can we see LCC taking this stance?

Well in a legal argument they often refer to other cases for clarification.

 

[Len Fish]

The Councillors are being recommended to accept the proposals, but yet to be voted on. Let’s hope they hold their nerve and don’t capitulate in the face of the considerable (and predictable) opposition. As others have said a positive vote would be a boost for LBA’s chances as the circumstances (a hopelessly out of date agreement restricting growth) are almost identical.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

The Councillors are being recommended to accept the proposals, but yet to be voted on. Let’s hope they hold their nerve and don’t capitulate in the face of the considerable (and predictable) opposition. As others have said a positive vote would be a boost for LBA’s chances as the circumstances (a hopelessly out of date agreement restricting growth) are almost identical.

Do you mean the Leeds planning committee are being recomnended to vote in favour of the airports interpretation of the final cleud?

 

[White Heather]

Do you mean the Leeds planning committee are being recomnended to vote in favour of the airports interpretation of the final cleud?

I don't think he means that - he means Birmingham. The planning committee in Leeds are not involved in the CLEUDS. It's a legal matter. not a planning issue for them to consider.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I don't think he means that - he means Birmingham. The planning committee in Leeds are not involved in the CLEUDS. It's a legal matter. not a planning issue for them to consider.

Thanks, thats what I was trying to clarify.

 

[Len Fish]

Do you mean the Leeds planning committee are being recomnended to vote in favour of the airports interpretation of the final cleud?

No Birmingham, apologies for any confusion. If only the Leeds Councillors were being recommended to vote to extend night flying at LBA!

 

[White Heather]

No Birmingham, apologies for any confusion. If only the Leeds Councillors were being recommended to vote to extend night flying at LBA!

First, they'd need a planning application requesting that. No planning submission so they can't consider the matter whether for or against. The entire reason for the CLEUDS was to determine the matter on a legal basis without any opportunity for political shenanigans and self interest which are a given whenever the Plans Panel become involved.