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[Len Fish]

The oldest 300 is 27.4 years old, the newest is 25.6 years old. Operating them for another 5 years is feasible but the older they get the more costly in terms of maintenance they become. If the rumour mill is true then presumably the airline have done their sums and it is more economical to keep them for a while longer than replace them using larger capacity 800s on the lower passenger volume routes.

 

[Finger66]

Nothing on the grapevine my end about 321s at Leeds!
Latest is 733s until 2029!

I cant see a need for capacity increase at present. Loads aren’t high enough! I personally have seen a full aircraft about 4x this summer. Rest of the time it’s about 75%.

Now the loads comment is interesting. Think WH posted after a CC meeting that the airport may have been concerned about Jet2's high prices. That may be deflecting some seat only pax to FR. If TUI do end up doing more and the Orange brigade turn up it could just be necessary for LS to react price wise. More bums on seats means more ancillary sales too so easy to offset a fares reduction.

 

[HX3]

Pilot-737 do you know, are the loads indicative of all jet2 bases, or just LBA specific? Just on Finger66 point on pricing, I booked a holiday with Tui today, it was significantly less than jet2 and unfortunately from Manchester.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Pilot-737 mentions about low pax figures on some flights but are these low figures on high frequency routes ie PMI, ALC where they maybe 2 flights a day or daily ops? If these routes were operating with less frequency then you may have a situation where the flights were full meaning many pax would have to look elsewhere ie FR, so even with one flight full and one say 50% full with jet2 prices high a 50% full flight would still make profit and you aint lost any pax to other airlines. Also to note ive noticed on high frequency routes they use a mix of 800 and 300 series 737s which again makes sense.

 

[White Heather]

Nothing on the grapevine my end about 321s at Leeds!
Latest is 733s until 2029!

I cant see a need for capacity increase at present. Loads aren’t high enough! I personally have seen a full aircraft about 4x this summer. Rest of the time it’s about 75%.

The protests in Spain against mass tourism wont help. I can see a sizeable drop in bookings unless things change and I doubt the Greek, Croatian and Turkish markets yet have the capacity to take up the slack. Across the board this year, the airlines appear to have anticipated more demand than there is, but with the high prices being charged, they'll be ok no doubt.

 

[GolfFox]

The protests in Spain against mass tourism wont help. I can see a sizeable drop in bookings unless things change and I doubt the Greek, Croatian and Turkish markets yet have the capacity to take up the slack. Across the board this year, the airlines appear to have anticipated more demand than there is, but with the high prices being charged, they'll be ok no doubt.

I think that you are correct. I am receiving almost weekly 'Sale' offers from EZY and less frequently from FR.

 

[paully]

I think that you are correct. I am receiving almost weekly 'Sale' offers from EZY and less frequently from FR.

Yes me too

 

[dmrodgers]

Yes me too

Same here, but also getting them from Jet2, maybe as I've just booked a Leeds to Faro flight with them in November and they are hoping to tempt me into booking further flights. With the offer to Faro and incidential add ons it was not much more than FR so preferred to go with Jet2 as I know they will get me home if there is inclement weather at Leeds even if it means a coach from some other airport.

 

[paully]

Same here, but also getting them from Jet2, maybe as I've just booked a Leeds to Faro flight with them in November and they are hoping to tempt me into booking further flights. With the offer to Faro and incidential add ons it was not much more than FR so preferred to go with Jet2 as I know they will get me home if there is inclement weather at Leeds even if it means a coach from some other airport.

Yes, funnily enough, we`ve booked with them for FUE in January and for the same reasons...Actually cheaper than FR as well.

 

[Aviador]

Pilot-737 do you know, are the loads indicative of all jet2 bases, or just LBA specific? Just on Finger66 point on pricing, I booked a holiday with Tui today, it was significantly less than jet2 and unfortunately from Manchester.

The half yearly results were very good.

 

[lbaspotter]

With the prices Jer2Holusats are charging it’s no real surprise if the average load factor is about 75%

We saved £900 this year to Turkey using on the beach & Sun Express, going next summer for 16x nights and it’s £600 cheaper again.

 

[Aviador]

With the prices Jer2Holusats are charging it’s no real surprise if the average load factor is about 75%

We saved £900 this year to Turkey using on the beach & Sun Express, going next summer for 16x nights and it’s £600 cheaper again.

BBC News - Ryanair set to slash summer fares after profits slide - BBC News

Ryanair set to slash summer fares after profits slide

The airline said cost-concious customers were being "more frugal and cautious".

www.bbc.co.uk

I think it's more likely due to the cost of living especially if Ryanair are seeing a fall in revenue.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Overcapacity, as @White Heather alluded to the Spanish anti tourism lot, Greece Turkey unable to pick the slack just yet and let’s be honest Jet2 face little competition out of Leeds.

Coupled with the ongoing cost of been ripped off crisis (or squeezing the middle class) by large corporations and supermarkets it’s a recipe for this.

As for loads as @LBA4EVER has said running high frequency with 75% LF if you condense that down that’s still 400 people if not more (PMI it’s around 1300 people based on 6 flights a day on a 737-300).

I think there’s also been a little bit of slow down due the political situation, election, unsure to book what will this new government do etc.

And then there’s the euros tournament which will have probably slowed down the late bookings.

Oh and as much as people don’t seem overly bothered after 10/20 years of constant talking about the climate I wonder if it’s suitably having an effect on peoples decisions.

And then there’s also nightmare travelling has become - almost deliberate to put people off. Which it has/is doing.

All these factors.

I would also guess days of the week will affect the load factor due way people have leave.

 

[Finger66]

What I think this also shows is the need for alternative destinations available from LBA. Heathrow, Frankfurt, Munich, Madrid immediately spring to mind. Let's get away from PMI, PMI and more PMI. These markets are saturated and more choice is what is needed

As an aside to this Mrs Finger and I have just booked a winter holiday to a destination not available from LBA so unfortunately another opportunity for us to use LBA has passed by

 

[paully]

As an aside to this Mrs Finger and I have just booked a winter holiday to a destination not available from LBA

Err Timbuktu????

 

[Finger66]

Err no, I booked two, didn't need Tim to do it for us!!!!

 

[michael]

Overcapacity, as @White Heather alluded to the Spanish anti tourism lot, Greece Turkey unable to pick the slack just yet and let’s be honest Jet2 face little competition out of Leeds.

Coupled with the ongoing cost of been ripped off crisis (or squeezing the middle class) by large corporations and supermarkets it’s a recipe for this.

As for loads as @LBA4EVER has said running high frequency with 75% LF if you condense that down that’s still 400 people if not more (PMI it’s around 1300 people based on 6 flights a day on a 737-300).

I think there’s also been a little bit of slow down due the political situation, election, unsure to book what will this new government do etc.

And then there’s the euros tournament which will have probably slowed down the late bookings.

Oh and as much as people don’t seem overly bothered after 10/20 years of constant talking about the climate I wonder if it’s suitably having an effect on peoples decisions.

And then there’s also nightmare travelling has become - almost deliberate to put people off. Which it has/is doing.

All these factors.

I would also guess days of the week will affect the load factor due way people have leave.

I was a reading a piece last week - I'm just trying to remember who it was but I'm pretty sure it was Jet2's boss Mr Heapy - and he was saying the trend in late bookings was having an effect on flight planning etc, especially with extra capacity on certain routes. This rang true with me as we run a camp site in the Dales and although the two are very different animals what he said mirrors what we are seeing in that customers now book this week to come next week whereas a number of years ago customers would make a booking in February to have a week in their tent in August. Very rare do people book so far in advance now, everything is last minute and over the years we've noted various factors to make our business quiet - continuous poor weather, football tournaments, olympics, costs of living. Certainly at the moment we have a distinct lack of families booking tent pitches, I'm not convinced they're all going abroad though, I've come to the conclusion there just isn't the cash available.

 

[Bob O'JOb]

What I think this also shows is the need for alternative destinations available from LBA. Heathrow, Frankfurt, Munich, Madrid immediately spring to mind. Let's get away from PMI, PMI and more PMI. These markets are saturated and more choice is what is needed

As an aside to this Mrs Finger and I have just booked a winter holiday to a destination not available from LBA so unfortunately another opportunity for us to use LBA has passed by

The airport aren't interested in giving people choice, they want bums on seats, and that's bucket and spade flights. They've all but conceded the premium/business flyer market to over the hill. Fair play for them for cutting their cloth accordingly, no point wasting time and money trying to attract airlines that won't work out in the long term. As has been stated elsewhere the only really feasible scheduled/legacy operation that would work from LBA would be a TK/AJet/Pegasus type connecting service through IST/SAW. Of your list MAD would be the most likely, with a lo-co operator. But Germany, forget about it.

 

[Aviador]

@michael I recon you're bob on with your analysis.

 

[BCFC]

The airport aren't interested in giving people choice, they want bums on seats, and that's bucket and spade flights. They've all but conceded the premium/business flyer market to over the hill. Fair play for them for cutting their cloth accordingly, no point wasting time and money trying to attract airlines that won't work out in the long term. As has been stated elsewhere the only really feasible scheduled/legacy operation that would work from LBA would be a TK/AJet/Pegasus type connecting service through IST/SAW. Of your list MAD would be the most likely, with a lo-co operator. But Germany, forget about it.

You know what…you are bang on but a LHR route would be nice and we still have potential City weekend flights but as you say..over the hill they have it nailed on for business flights, long haul, transit times with KLM from LBA to are in some cases are nuts, you may as well travel the extra 30 mins to MAN and get direct flights to most destinations.