Route Development & Rumours

[LS@MAN]

@Scottie Dog Norse are operating on behalf of P&O cruises.

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Norse: Caribbean charters for P&O; their own once weekly schedule to Bangkok.

Some nice increases there, largely Summer long-haul frequency additions continuing into Winter.

Ryanair: very impressive increase; Jet2: respectable increase; EasyJet: quite cautious from them.

Aer Lingus: raises eyebrows!

 

[Scottie Dog]

Courtesy of Ringway Reports:

 

[Scottie Dog]

Ringway Reports are usually very reliable, however I have been advised by another source that Emirates Cargo are staying at STN.
Time will tell.

 

[Jerry]

To be fair to SPD_TRAVELS he raises a good point here. It is surprising that Manchester doesn't have even one US carrier even on a 737 MAX.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976254752586453298

 

[mullion]

It is all to do with tourism, Scotland inbound Manchester outbound to US. Once one comes back they will come in numbers, but who is going to be first my guess is United

 

[Jerry]

It is all to do with tourism, Scotland inbound Manchester outbound to US. Once one comes back they will come in numbers, but who is going to be first my guess is United

Well I'd imagine Delta feels it has MAN covered via Virgin Atlantic direct flight wise but it is odd to see so many international carriers at MAN but not any from the USA.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

But as you say @Jerry Delta does have a presence at MAN but in the form of the UK based carrier Virgin (As we've both also said Manchester could of been huge for them with India-MAN flights and feeding India - US flights via MAN but alas they haven't). The JV they have means the cost and therefore profits are shared.

Imo I wouldn't want to cross the Atlantic on a 737MAX something abut a 737MAX makes me feel uneasy. Compared with the A321NEO - it feels the MAX is built for smaller missions that do not cross the pond whist the NEO can do intra European / US missions and cross the pond (Alas similar feelings from myself re: 757).

Will US carriers ever come to MAN? Who knows. What we do know is we are the only country in the world that is one city focused (London) when in actual fact Manchester and the North should be a force to be reckoned with and easy in competition with London.

What do the US carriers offer anyway?

DL - have Virgin. They offer JFK and ATL both of which are successful routes and must offer not only the O/D business & tourist traffic but also the connecting into ATL banks and JFK banks (lesser).
AA - JFK already covered. PHL? ORD? DFW I would have thought is a no.
UA - NYC already covered. IAD (will that succeed)? IAH same feelings to that as DFW - a no.

 

[Jerry]

Imo I wouldn't want to cross the Atlantic on a 737MAX something abut a 737MAX makes me feel uneasy. Compared with the A321NEO - it feels the MAX is built for smaller missions

The MAX regularly cross the pond with Canadian airlines. Personally I don't see that much difference to the NEO. Both are narrow body aircraft and quite capable of making the trip.

AA - JFK already covered. PHL? ORD? DFW I would have thought is a no.
UA - NYC already covered. IAD (will that succeed)? IAH same feelings to that as DFW - a no.

Not directly though like Delta all through a one stop via Heathrow and Dublin.
If you look at the routes United launched they are leisure destinations for Americans and i suspect that's part of the problem. Beyond London and Scotland the rest of the UK isn't much of a leisure destination for Americans. Not one warranting direct flights anyway.

 

[gulftraveller]

Yes. It shows that the US carriers are still in US outbound tourism mode. With the predicted downturn in the US economy, I wonder how long this strategy will continue.

 

[Aviador]

My understanding of the Max is it offers the ability to operate from shorter runways and like the A321XLR it could theoretically operate from any of the northern airports across the pond.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

The MAX regularly cross the pond with Canadian airlines. Personally I don't see that much difference to the NEO. Both are narrow body aircraft and quite capable of making the trip.

Correct. But I for one wouldn't want to be on a MAX across the pond. A Neo perfectly fine. Don't ask me why it's how I feel about the aircraft.

 

[Jerry]

Correct. But I for one wouldn't want to be on a MAX across the pond. A Neo perfectly fine. Don't ask me why it's how I feel about the aircraft.

Up to you but personally I'd have no problem especially if it meant no long journey to say Heathrow.

 

[David_itl]

of note, it should be remembered what one of United executives has stated, Glasgow is not going to get A321XLRs even when they are delivered.

The question that needs to be asked of United is if Singapore Airlines was able to get up to 5000 passengers per month going to/from Houston, are they really telling us that they cannot find a further 5000 passengers a month from the whole of their network to go EWR-MAN?

If does strike me as odd that we know there's between 200,000 and 300,000 passengers who fly MAN-elsewhere-USA, With no disrespect to the other cities, adding in LBA-elsewhere-USA and LPL-elsewhere-USA would probably throw in another 30000 to 50000 passengers . With 350,000 passengers, that's enough for 3 daily narrowbodies without anticipating market stimulation of non-stop services.

 

[Jerry]

Manchester in talks with JAL?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977715295851606077

 

[gonetech]

Ascend Airways currently recruiting MAN based crew, presumably for spring 26 start in mind

 

[gulftraveller]

I recall that JAL were in discussion with MAN pre Covid. A team were reported to gave visited the airport, if I remember correctly.

 

[Aviador]

of note, it should be remembered what one of United executives has stated, Glasgow is not going to get A321XLRs even when they are delivered.

The question that needs to be asked of United is if Singapore Airlines was able to get up to 5000 passengers per month going to/from Houston, are they really telling us that they cannot find a further 5000 passengers a month from the whole of their network to go EWR-MAN?

If does strike me as odd that we know there's between 200,000 and 300,000 passengers who fly MAN-elsewhere-USA, With no disrespect to the other cities, adding in LBA-elsewhere-USA and LPL-elsewhere-USA would probably throw in another 30000 to 50000 passengers . With 350,000 passengers, that's enough for 3 daily narrowbodies without anticipating market stimulation of non-stop services.

No offence taken and for the same reason LBA will be chasing those passengers too, plus the ones already lost to Manchester, Heathrow or elsewhere.

 

[Silvercity]

of note, it should be remembered what one of United executives has stated, Glasgow is not going to get A321XLRs even when they are delivered.

The question that needs to be asked of United is if Singapore Airlines was able to get up to 5000 passengers per month going to/from Houston, are they really telling us that they cannot find a further 5000 passengers a month from the whole of their network to go EWR-MAN?

If does strike me as odd that we know there's between 200,000 and 300,000 passengers who fly MAN-elsewhere-USA, With no disrespect to the other cities, adding in LBA-elsewhere-USA and LPL-elsewhere-USA would probably throw in another 30000 to 50000 passengers . With 350,000 passengers, that's enough for 3 daily narrowbodies without anticipating market stimulation of non-stop services.

The LPL and LBA elsewhere- USA is most likely using Aer Lingus to connect to a variety of US destinations and avoid immigration in the US , having done it in Dublin. Im not sure why Manchester feels they have claim to these passengers who are choosing LPL and LBA .

 

[Jerry]

The LPL and LBA elsewhere- USA is most likely using Aer Lingus to connect to a variety of US destinations and avoid immigration in the US , having done it in Dublin. Im not sure why Manchester feels they have claim to these passengers who are choosing LPL and LBA .

Well Manchester does see itself as the international gateway of Northern England so they will see passengers flying from Liverpool and LeedsBradford as passengers that could be flying from Manchester.