Route Development & Rumours

[gulftraveller]

It is not a question of a ‘claim’. It is simply that nonstop flights are more attractive to passengers than one stop options. In addition, travel tours will normally offer a nonstop option rather than one stop.

 

[Silvercity]

It is not a question of a ‘claim’. It is simply that nonstop flights are more attractive to passengers than one stop options. In addition, travel tours will normally offer a nonstop option rather than one stop.

Well Manchester does see itself as the international gateway of Northern England so they will see passengers flying from Liverpool and LeedsBradford as passengers that could be flying from Manchester.

They may do, but that's an arrogant view, Manchester does not have all the answers for Norhern England which is why some passengers like to use the other Northern cities airports directly .

In the case of Liverpool, I know from a recent Consultative Committee meeting that US passengers both from UK and from US are increasing .

As for travel tours, I dont think thats correct plenty use via Amsterdam or Dubai for example.

 

[Jerry]

They may do, but that's an arrogant view, Manchester does not have all the answers for Norhern England which is why some passengers like to use the other Northern cities airports directly .

Tbf to Manchester it is the biggest airport in the north of England so will have a pull others don't.

As for travel tours, I dont think thats correct plenty use via Amsterdam or Dubai for example.

Depends on the availability of flights and price etc can only go by own experience from RWC2023 with Gullivers Sports and they did try and get me to shift from Cardiff to Bristol despite advertising flights from Bristol but I said no and flew from Cardiff.

 

[Seasider]

They don't seem to be worried about passengers that fly from MAN who they can get to the same destination form LPL/LBA.

Why don't they do a deal - LBA/LPL send their Atlantic traffic to MAN and MAN send their PMI traffic to LPL/LBA.

 

[Aviador]

It is not a question of a ‘claim’. It is simply that nonstop flights are more attractive to passengers than one stop options. In addition, travel tours will normally offer a nonstop option rather than one stop.

Whilst I would like to agree with you on that, the way the Middle East airlines are dominating long haul to the East, it shows that point to point isn't actually a priority but price and choice is.

 

[Silvercity]

Tbf to Manchester it is the biggest airport in the north of England so will have a pull others don't.

Depends on the availability of flights and price etc can only go by own experience from RWC2023 with Gullivers Sports and they did try and get me to shift from Cardiff to Bristol despite advertising flights from Bristol but I said no and flew from Cardiff.

Most US passengers fly into London and they do the regular London , Oxford , Stratford , Edinburgh thing possible to fly home from Edinburgh. Other places will be less on their radar. Liverpool will be likely be the most popular destination for Americans in the North of England, which is why the Dublin link is popular and with them they get a huge selection of US departure points. From the north of UK, British passengers are down, the US is so expensive now for holidays. That is what you are looking at from Manchester. Its presently too expensive compared to the time when there were numerous US leisure flights. We even had direct
US flights from Liverpool at one time too, it just not the same these days.

 

[Jerry]

Most US passengers fly into London and they do the regular London , Oxford , Stratford , Edinburgh thing possible to fly home from Edinburgh

Yes US passengers like flying into London. They also have the option of flying to Manchester. As for Liverpool not everyone flying Liverpool to Dublin will connect onwards to the USA and you also have a significant Aer Lingus Manchester to Dublin route not to mention direct options to New York JFK with Aer Lingus and Virgin Atlantic (which also comes up as an option for Delta Airlines/Skyteam passengers) there's also Canadian routes from Manchester and Icelandair so lot's of options for everyone all round!

 

[Silvercity]

Yes US passengers like flying into London. They also have the option of flying to Manchester. As for Liverpool not everyone flying Liverpool to Dublin will connect onwards to the USA and you also have a significant Aer Lingus Manchester to Dublin route not to mention direct options to New York JFK with Aer Lingus and Virgin Atlantic (which also comes up as an option for Delta Airlines/Skyteam passengers) there's also Canadian routes from Manchester and Icelandair so lot's of options for everyone all round!

No of course they dont a fair amount are going to Dublin only or somewhere else in Ireland, but as I said US passengers are increasing. Those going to the US have the big advantage of clearing US immigration in Dublin and not having to deal with that once stateside which is ofen bad.
Using this link allows US originating passengers to reach Liverpool easily too, and whilst the city is not London, its attracts significant amount of American tourist.

 

[Jerry]

Those going to the US have the big advantage of clearing US immigration in Dublin and not having to deal with that once stateside which is ofen bad.

Tbf though people have that option at Manchester and tbh immigration at Dublin isn't that great

Using this link allows US originating passengers to reach Liverpool easily too, and whilst the city is not London, its attracts significant amount of American tourist.

And I'd expect Manchester would sell it that their Dublin route and direct routes gives easy access to Liverpool as well.

 

[Silvercity]

Tbf though people have that option at Manchester and tbh immigration at Dublin isn't that great

And I'd expect Manchester would sell it that their Dublin route and direct routes gives easy access to Liverpool as well.

Not what ive heard, about Dublin immigration. Its way better than Miami or JFK for example.

They have that option at Manchester too, to go that way, but tbh if Liverpool or elsewhere in the NW was where you were travelling from Liverpool Airport is a very easy and pleasant airport to travel through

 

[Jerry]

Not what ive heard, about Dublin immigration. Its way better than Miami or JFK for example.

Can only go off my personal experience from a few years ago and compare it to airports like Seattle, Portland and LAX. I didn't find it made that much of difference to me personally.

 

[gulftraveller]

EI has two ATR flights per day to LPL. Even if these aircraft were filled solely with US connecting passengers, it is not a large number. I would assume, therefore, that most passengers travelling to/US from LPL are flying from other airports.

 

[Silvercity]

Whatever it is, they are passengers who are picking to fly from or two Liverpool,.for US connections. If they wanted to fly from Manchester, they could already do so. Same for LBA passengers using Ei to reach the US.

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Im not sure why Manchester feels they have claim to these passengers who are choosing LPL and LBA .

MAN has no such claim. But can you point us to where they argue otherwise?

They may do, but that's an arrogant view, Manchester does not have all the answers for Norhern England which is why some passengers like to use the other Northern cities airports directly .

Again, where has MAN suggested that competing airports should not have market share of their own? This is a highly competitive industry, and MAG is well aware of that. Business has to be won, not presumed.

They have that option at Manchester too, to go that way, but tbh if Liverpool or elsewhere in the NW was where you were travelling from Liverpool Airport is a very easy and pleasant airport to travel through

Customers have the option to choose any departure airport and flight routing they want, subject to seat availability. Again, I see nobody else suggesting they can't; it's a free market out there. You appear to be tilting at windmills of your own creation, with a view to painting MAN as an unscrupulous bully and LPL as the essence of sweetness and light. Can we have a bit of realism, please? Businesses compete with each other; that's the deal, and none have a right to a free pass. MAN is completely aware of the competitive environment. Please post links if you can support your suggestions that MAG allegedly claims that all North of England passengers should use MAN by default.

 

[David_itl]

Airlines looking at serving "the North of England" would gather all available data which means adding LBA and LPL to MAN for direct bookings from the regions. Then there is also the possibility of looking at the "self connectors" and seeing the conurbations they go from. What could count against LBA and LPL is that with the joint ventures in place over the Atlantic, an airline may deem it simpler to have a MAN route and in irregular operations, book those passengers onto the joint venture airline to the jv hub (if they are affected) or fly them on their own metal to that hub and then fly back to MAN given the more frequent services with larger aircraft than to LPL/LBA.

 

[Silvercity]

IAirlines looking at serving "the North of England" would gather all available data which means adding LBA and LPL to MAN for direct bookings from the regions. Then there is also the possibility of looking at the "self connectors" and seeing the conurbations they go from. What could count against LBA and LPL is that with the joint ventures in place over the Atlantic, an airline may deem it simpler to have a MAN route and in irregular operations, book those passengers onto the joint venture airline to the jv hub (if they are affected) or fly them on their own metal to that hub and then fly back to MAN given the more frequent services with larger aircraft than to LPL/LBA.

If you would.like to re read your post #54, with its entitled attitude to draw passengers from LBA/LPL to recreate a MAN / EWR which presently the demand isnt there . Heaven forbid that actually some passengers dont want to fly from Manchester and prefer to use.LBA / LPL . This entitled attitude is something which should be buried. People like choice.

 

[Iron Duck]

I agree with you Silvercity but let’s be realistic, there’s no chance that United would go to LPL or LBA before Manchester. It is a net positive for all three cities to have a big hub that attracts these airlines, as frustrating as it is that people have to travel down the motorway.

 

[gulftraveller]

It may well be that passengers want the choice of flying from their local airport. That is why LPL has good LCC and IT options. But it is about airline economics. The idea that every regional airport should have flights to Dubai, New York, Toronto etc. is simply not realistic. The cost base for airlines would be too high in a catchment which alone would not support these routes. That is why there are regional hubs. If this is an ‘entitled attitude’, take it up with the airlines.

 

[Jerry]

Apparently more UK secondary cities could be an option for American Airlines with the XLR. Tbh I'd be surprised to see it happening.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999518395205636134

 

[IanFarquharson]

Apparently more UK secondary cities could be an option for American Airlines with the XLR. Tbh I'd be surprised to see it happening.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999518395205636134

Lets hope so, the issue is aircraft deliveries, BHX are talking to two US airlines both would be using the 321XLR both airlines agree the demand is there but aircraft deliveries could mean a three year delay for BHX.
But of course MAN could be sooner.