Leeds Bradford - General Thread

[Sherburnflyer92]

There are 6 arrivals tonight between 2330 and 0215, with 31 arrivals overall tomorrow.

Wait to AYT/DLM are in the mix. I suspect Jet2 will add more as I hear it's selling very well.

 

[BlueManc]

Fairly confident declaration by the arrival board before 1000. Any ideas on the 1300 Leicester horse racing?

TODAY - 20 SEP 2021
ARRIVES	FROM	FLIGHT NO.	AIRLINE	STATUS	INFORMATION
09:00	Malta	FR2449	Ryanair	Landed 10:44

 

[jason1-11]

Pure conjecture of course, but this would be an interesting (and not in a good way) development for LBA if it were to come off: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19586191.ryanair/

 

[airforced]

Good old MOL. I wonder what he might say later this week? I don't know and I'm not going to guess.

 

[A400]

I see the US is opening to Vaccinated tourists from November. Could be good for the KLM flights

 

[White Heather]

I see the US is opening to Vaccinated tourists from November. Could be good for the KLM flights

Good for the new Aer Lingus franchise too when it arrives on the Dublin route.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Good for the new Aer Lingus franchise too when it arrives on the Dublin route.

Good for Aer Lingus over at MAN also.

 

[White Heather]

Good for Aer Lingus over at MAN also.

Which isn't good for us!

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Which isn't good for us!

Different view. They are replacing the loss of the TC seats which did well. It offers something else to us, whilst also driving down fares to feed their USA services via DUB. Win win.

 

[White Heather]

As has been mentioned already, our rival up the road, Teesside, has been very vocal in the press, wasting no opportunity to give themselves positive publicity, even to the point of apparently celebrating the fact that 80 LBA passengers on the tech LBA-AMS flight were bussed up there to be loaded into their flight instead. Every new route has been highlighted, although several have been lost too, which understandably hasn't been highlighted quite so loudly.

Almost certainly, many of the new routes will be subsidised in some way to attract the likes of Loganair, Eastern and Ryanair. Given the amounts recently spent in the terminal, plus these subsidies, I was interested to see how the airport was faring, given the public interest in its finances. Not so well it seems. Losses of £14m have been announced. How much of that is entirely down to Covid remains to be seen. However, as aviation starts to recover, this year in particular will be vital to Teesside and other airports, including LBA, with large losses to recover.

I can't help wondering though how long Teesside can continue to subsidise airlines and sustain their losses. Having two airlines on the same domestic route isn't sustainable there and already we have seen either Eastern or Loganair giving up the fight. Yet neither apparently recognise that there is a ready made demand for such routes out of an established airport here at LBA.

It does make me wonder why it is that LBA fails, year on year, to attract new airline partners on new routes since the arrival of AMP - easyJet to Belfast excepted. I know LBA is central in the UK, but so is MAN. I know we have good rail services, but so does MAN. And for domestic services, people are less likely to trek over to MAN to catch a flight within the UK as it's not worth it. So why do airlines simply not bother with the UK domestic market at LBA and concentrate entirely in the MAN and even LPL services?

It's a mystery that no airline sees the opportunity here. In the 80s, Capital did and their growth demonstrated what could be done before they were dragged under by their parent company.

Even the routes we do have tend to be underserved - mainly by Eastern. Routes such as Newquay deserve better than a 29 seat J41 aged turboprop. Smaller airports see the likes of their ATR72 or Embraers whilst we get the J41 and feel grateful for it.

It's all very frustrating!

 

[White Heather]

Different view. They are replacing the loss of the TC seats which did well. It offers something else to us, whilst also driving down fares to feed their USA services via DUB. Win win.

Well we will see won't we?

 

[A400]

True, you could also add BA if they return the Heathrow route.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

As has been mentioned already, our rival up the road, Teesside, has been very vocal in the press, wasting no opportunity to give themselves positive publicity, even to the point of apparently celebrating the fact that 80 LBA passengers on the tech LBA-AMS flight were bussed up there to be loaded into their flight instead. Every new route has been highlighted, although several have been lost too, which understandably hasn't been highlighted quite so loudly.

Almost certainly, many of the new routes will be subsidised in some way to attract the likes of Loganair, Eastern and Ryanair. Given the amounts recently spent in the terminal, plus these subsidies, I was interested to see how the airport was faring, given the public interest in its finances. Not so well it seems. Losses of £14m have been announced. How much of that is entirely down to Covid remains to be seen. However, as aviation starts to recover, this year in particular will be vital to Teesside and other airports, including LBA, with large losses to recover.

I can't help wondering though how long Teesside can continue to subsidise airlines and sustain their losses. Having two airlines on the same domestic route isn't sustainable there and already we have seen either Eastern or Loganair giving up the fight. Yet neither apparently recognise that there is a ready made demand for such routes out of an established airport here at LBA.

It does make me wonder why it is that LBA fails, year on year, to attract new airline partners on new routes since the arrival of AMP - easyJet to Belfast excepted. I know LBA is central in the UK, but so is MAN. I know we have good rail services, but so does MAN. And for domestic services, people are less likely to trek over to MAN to catch a flight within the UK as it's not worth it. So why do airlines simply not bother with the UK domestic market at LBA and concentrate entirely in the MAN and even LPL services?

It's a mystery that no airline sees the opportunity here. In the 80s, Capital did and their growth demonstrated what could be done before they were dragged under by their parent company.

Even the routes we do have tend to be underserved - mainly by Eastern. Routes such as Newquay deserve better than a 29 seat J41 aged turboprop. Smaller airports see the likes of their ATR72 or Embraers whilst we get the J41 and feel grateful for it.

It's all very frustrating!

Is it a coincidence that things have stagnated since AMP took over?

 

[White Heather]

Is it a coincidence that things have stagnated since AMP took over?

I don't know why that should be. AMP are experienced in owning and running airports. But, other than the growth from Jet2 and Ryanair pre pandemic, LBA has had nothing much to shout about in terms of new carriers since the days if Bridgepoint, with the exception of the recent easyJet route.

 

[jason1-11]

AMP highlights at NCL albeit at 49% this year include = Lufthansa, Vueling, Ryanair base + additional aircraft from both Jet2 and TUI. I'm sure there's more and totally offsets the loss of the easyJet base.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

LBA is probably waiting behind the scenes quietly. Awaiting the new SoS to act.

 

[Easy 189]

It appears EZY are currently loading in Nov LBA BFS operations.

 

[A400]

It appears EZY are currently loading in Nov LBA BFS operations.

They already have. It’s in the easyJet LBA thread

 

[LBA4EVER]

As has been mentioned already, our rival up the road, Teesside, has been very vocal in the press, wasting no opportunity to give themselves positive publicity, even to the point of apparently celebrating the fact that 80 LBA passengers on the tech LBA-AMS flight were bussed up there to be loaded into their flight instead. Every new route has been highlighted, although several have been lost too, which understandably hasn't been highlighted quite so loudly.

Almost certainly, many of the new routes will be subsidised in some way to attract the likes of Loganair, Eastern and Ryanair. Given the amounts recently spent in the terminal, plus these subsidies, I was interested to see how the airport was faring, given the public interest in its finances. Not so well it seems. Losses of £14m have been announced. How much of that is entirely down to Covid remains to be seen. However, as aviation starts to recover, this year in particular will be vital to Teesside and other airports, including LBA, with large losses to recover.

I can't help wondering though how long Teesside can continue to subsidise airlines and sustain their losses. Having two airlines on the same domestic route isn't sustainable there and already we have seen either Eastern or Loganair giving up the fight. Yet neither apparently recognise that there is a ready made demand for such routes out of an established airport here at LBA.

It does make me wonder why it is that LBA fails, year on year, to attract new airline partners on new routes since the arrival of AMP - easyJet to Belfast excepted. I know LBA is central in the UK, but so is MAN. I know we have good rail services, but so does MAN. And for domestic services, people are less likely to trek over to MAN to catch a flight within the UK as it's not worth it. So why do airlines simply not bother with the UK domestic market at LBA and concentrate entirely in the MAN and even LPL services?

It's a mystery that no airline sees the opportunity here. In the 80s, Capital did and their growth demonstrated what could be done before they were dragged under by their parent company.

Even the routes we do have tend to be underserved - mainly by Eastern. Routes such as Newquay deserve better than a 29 seat J41 aged turboprop. Smaller airports see the likes of their ATR72 or Embraers whilst we get the J41 and feel grateful for it.

It's all very frustrating!

Its called bad stigma, the airport will always have bad stigma unless something serious is done to change the awful image the airport has! If government ever get round to approving the new terminal then LBA will i hope leave its awful stigma behind, well it will be a start at least and from then on things will hopefully change, the other stigma lba has is its runway and the weather conditions but im saying no more on that bcos il be shot down.
You speak to anyone in aviation or just your average joe bloggs on the street about LBA and they will always come out with the same old story, that small windy airport on the hill with that dodgy runway. Im afraid to say that image of the airport is what kills it and sadly is the main reason we dont have a 10million passenger plus airport. Its just laughable that even an airport like teeside can attract more services and airlines to key destinations than leeds, airlines that clearly should be offering domestic and buisness routes from what is the 2nd financial city of the uk and largest economy outside London are simply not, fact!
And before anyone mentions MAN airport, so what, LBA should be performing still 3 times what it is now!
I no i will get shot down but i know im correct, its so obvious!
But on a positive note this new terminal and to a lesser extent a rail station really will change things for the better. Can someone in gov just plz approve it!

 

[Finger66]

I know we do shoot LBA4EVER down for repetition (he would be no good on Just A Minute) but to some degree he does have a point. The historical stigma and image needs changing. Why don’t the airport do a press article re percentage of flights that actually divert away and other positive news. As has been said MME never miss a trick. It is all very depressingly quiet at LBA just now, although we are still just emerging from a pandemic and things are on the up finally. But we need this terminal approved and our fantastic airport needs moving forwards into the 21st century. Then - what bad stigma?