Leeds Bradford - General Thread

[Aviador]

It's approved in principle but some issues need ironing out with the council before gaining full approval. The rest of your question is unknown at this stage. As we tend to say... we'll believe it when the diggers are there building it!

 

[Wardair166]

Especially where LBA is concerned!!!!!

 

[752]

i know this isn't as relevant but on the terminal plans, there is no sign for the airport, do we know if one is going to be incorporated? be great if it can have one that changes colour like DSA & Leeds Arena does so they can change the colour for special occasions

 

[Aviador]

We don't know.

 

[Aviador]

Why building a new terminal has to happen.

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Original 1960's terminal

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1980's terminal extension (associated with 600m runway extension)

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1990's departure lounge extension

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90s add-ons

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All the add-ons over the years.

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Planned and approved extensions which never took place.

Not necessarily in this order but this is a list of the extensions over the years.

• 1960's terminal
• 1980's terminal extension
• Departure lounge extension
• Forward holding lounge extension and airbridge
• Departure lounge extension and food village
• Security CSZ expansion and retail walkway
• Arrivals hall extension, administration building, first floor walkway, immigration extension and air bridge
• Check-in hall B and baggage make-up area
• 1960's first floor void fill and new roofing
• Additional arrivals hall capacity
• Ramp walkway
• Additional baggage hall B make-up area.
• First floor fill to departure lounge
• Planned security and first floor departure lounge extension
• Planned new arrivals hall

I did have images for each add-on but it was a bit of a nightmare displaying each one in a post.

 

[White Heather]

Why building a new terminal has to happen.

View attachment 21509
Original 1960's terminal

View attachment 21510
1980's terminal extension (associated with 600m runway extension)

View attachment 21511
1990's departure lounge extension


View attachment 21519
All the add-ons over the years.

View attachment 21520
Planned and approved extensions which never took place.

Not necessarily in this order but this is a list of the extensions over the years.

• 1960's terminal
• 1980's terminal extension
• Departure lounge extension
• Forward holding lounge extension and airbridge
• Departure lounge extension and food village
• Security CSZ expansion and retail walkway
• Arrivals hall extension, administration building, first floor walkway, immigration extension and air bridge
• Check-in hall B and baggage make-up area
• 1960's first floor void fill and new roofing
• Additional arrivals hall capacity
• Ramp walkway
• Additional baggage hall B make-up area.
• First floor fill to departure lounge
• Planned security and first floor departure lounge extension
• Planned new arrivals hall

None of that matters as far as GALBA are concerned. LBA has to be sacrificed to save the planet. They are now complaining that the 28 of them only had 2 minutes each to object. Sounds like they may claim that wasn't sufficient. Also they claim that contrary to the evidence supplied that with 7m pax, CO2 levels would be well within the Government annual budget, it would actually be double that target. Are these lunatics on halluciagenic drugs or what?

No surprise for guessing the reporter of this garbage. Step forward once again Richard Beecham

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

None of that matters as far as GALBA are concerned. LBA has to be sacrificed to save the planet. They are now complaining that the 28 of them only had 2 minutes each to object. Sounds like they may claim that wasn't sufficient. Also they claim that contrary to the evidence supplied that with 7m pax, CO2 levels would be well within the Government annual budget, it would actually be double that target. Are these lunatics on halluciagenic drugs or what?

No surprise for guessing the reporter of this garbage. Step forward once again Richard Beecham

If you give them a bloody week they would still object. They cannot do simple maths. They cannot understand the economy and the way that aviation interacts with the economy. I am sick to the back bloody teeth of "we can replace these jobs with Green jobs" - when asked what jobs precisely and will they be paid, average £100k for a pilot for example, let's say there is 100 pilots at LBA (Thats £10,00,000 in wages, plus probably around another £2/3 million in the economic multiplier) they don't have the answer. They are beyond deluded.

I'd happily sit down and have a discussion which is fair & balanced. Yes we need to balance the interact need of the climate with the economy. But there mission to "rid carbon" will have actually the opposite effect. Trees and Nature need carbon to grow and flourish.

 

[Aviador]

Next year China will be midway through building around 200 new airports. One opening later this year is expecting to handle in the region of 40m passengers annually. While I'm not suggesting that is perfectly fine, it puts LBA's new terminal into perspective. LBA is just replacing it's old and dated terminal for a new carbon neutral one. One that is tiny in comparison with the Chinese airports and still small in comparison with most other airports in the UK that are serving large cities.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Next year China will be midway through building around 200 new airports. One opening later this year is expecting to handle in the region of 40m passengers annually. While I'm not suggesting that is perfectly fine, it puts LBA's new terminal into perspective. LBA is just replacing it's old and dated terminal for a new carbon neutral one. One that is tiny in comparison with the Chinese airports and still small in comparison with most other airports in the UK that are serving large cities.

Told someone that too. I got told "we are UK not China" ... oh so the WORLD problem is our problem. They are too ignorant.

TBH China should be sanctioned and we should be choking their economy for what they've done to the world. But alas that is a completely different story for a complete different year. Over a pint. In a pub. Not socially distanced.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

It's not only China. India is planning to build 100 new airports. This was announced a couple of year ago and I wondered if the pandemic had interfered with that plan. Apparently not as this linked report from last December shows.

Where will 100 new airports come up by 2024?

There are 53 urban clusters in the country that have a population of a million plus. But there are very few among them that do not have access to air transport. There definitely is scope, but the approach may need to involve having a mix of heliports and seaplanes as well

www.moneycontrol.com

I've had the same response as Sherburnflyer when pointing out to environmentalists that new airports are cropping up around the world at a pace that makes the UK's plans look insignificant. I asked one demonstrator at a march protesting about Bristol's planned expansion what measures they were taking to protest about numerous new airports being planned in such countries as China and India, and that Istanbul's new airport which will eventually be able to handle 200 million passengers a year makes protesting about a small West Country airport that wants to grow by just 2 million a year foolish and meaningless.

He could only come up with the reply, "Bristol is local to us and is a start". Fair enough I suppose from a limited perspective but it won't achieve anything because, as I pointed out to him, if Bristol is not allowed to grow any more flights will be displaced to other airports with the same emissions resulting. "If that happens we'll turn our attention to the other airports." He was a pleasant enough young man and our chat was civilised and without rancour on either side.

 

[Aviador]

They should be focusing their efforts on speeding up cleaner land based transport where the majority of pollution comes from, but even then we're limited with the global resources we have.

 

[LBA4EVER]

6% growth in china last year, 200new airports planned, lefty biden in white house, covid just happens to come along, their plan is all kicking into gear, this is only the beginning!

 

[Wardair166]

They need to be prescribed anti psychotic medication.

 

[Aviador]

Supposing the growing number of airports in China, India and other parts of the world double carbon emissions released by aircraft, it will still be one of the lowest at only 4% globally.

 

[White Heather]

It's time the Government stopped allowing these people to try and dictate to us all, aided and abetted by the BBC. They need to come out and make it clear that the recovery of the economy, both locally and nationally will take priority as we recover from the pandemic and futile legal challenges will not be tolerated. If approval has been given through the democratic process it's not right that such challenges can be used to deliberately delay a project. Especially now.
The Council have bent over backwards to accommodate these morons all the way through. However, before the plans had even got near the council, GALBA were stating that they would make a legal challenge if approved, before they even know if there are any grounds to do so. Government needs to stop pussyfooting around with these people apparently able to do as they like almost with immunity from prosecution. They are dangerous. All fanatics are!

 

[Aviador]

Buildings, and old buildings especially are one of the largest contributors to co2 emissions far exceeding emissions from aircraft.

Globally around 45% of co2 emissions come from buildings, especially those built by concrete during the 1960s 70s and 80s.

LBA is a prime example of that and a prime example of why it needs to go.

 

[White Heather]

Buildings, and old buildings especially are one of the largest contributors to co2 emissions far exceeding emissions from aircraft.

Around 45% of co2 emissions come from buildings, especially those build by concrete during the 1960s 70s and 80s.

LBA is a prime example of that and a prime example of why it needs to go.

I would imagine one of the biggest CO2 generating building complexes in Leeds is Leeds University! I wonder if these Uni environmental activists ever consider that!

 

[Aviador]

I would imagine one of the biggest CO2 generating building complexes in Leeds is Leeds University! I wonder if these Uni environmental activists ever consider that!

Of course not, but isn't most of the hot air coming from the activists themselves and not the buildings?

 

[White Heather]

Perhaps it's a question to ask. How much CO2 is generated by Leeds University and Leeds Carnegie University sites! I would think it's a question they might prefer not to answer!

 

[Bigman]

We could do with some typical 1970's construction gangs working for the mobs. They knew how to get rid of people like that.