Emirates

[User001]

Seems the morning A380 can't come soon enough. Second time this month I've seen angry tweets that the EK21 is oversold and lots of denied boarding!

 

[ethanegcc]

Chatter on dried fruit forum from a user called 'egcc':
'MAN's next service will be a 77W, arriving MAN mid afternoon. I've seen flight numbers and times along with possible start date, but, as we clearly know, nothing confirmed. Lots of cargo leaving MAN on trucks to other UK destinations due to the lack of 77W these days.'

 

[Dobbo]

I assume this is a reference to the old EK23/24?

 

[ethanegcc]

With triple daily A380, EK carried an extremely large number of passengers. Hopefully they can sustain this throughout the year and if they can, as an interesting statistic on pprune, EK could get up to 1.08m pax in 2017.

 

[Dobbo]

1.8m? At MAN?

90k per month extrapolates to around 1.08m over a year, are you sure its not a typo?

 

[ethanegcc]

Yep definitely and I copied and pasted without checking! Still impressive and would comfortably get us over the 1m mark.

 

[ethanegcc]

Just seen on the BHX thread that some services have been cut throughout the low period (May). Not sure if it has happened before at MAN, but I have just checked and everything is in order, with no reductions so far.

 

[Dobbo]

I believe that is "usual" for EK at BHX since the third daily was started.

 

[ethanegcc]

I believe that is "usual" for EK at BHX since the third daily was started.

I thought so, they also have a lot of extra capacity still absorbing so it is understandable.

 

[ethanegcc]

It seems we have a little reduction for this low season period, although luckily not a flight cut. Emirates is downgrading EK21/22 to B77W from May 16th-June 22nd. A lot of new capacity bedding in, Oman Air taking a few of Emirates' passengers?

 

[Brum X]

@Brum X just posted above!

Yeah and deleted it after i realsed you had already posted it.
Cheers

 

[Dobbo]

Surprised Brum X nearly won the race to report that here! Not ideal that there is a downgrade, but a return to the 2016 status quo for a short period is okay.

 

[ethanegcc]

Couldn't help reposting these figures in the MAN thread:

MAN 81066 up from 78918 2.7%
LGW 74467 up from 71004 4.9%

Manchester still higher than London Gatwick - despite the same offering!

 

[Dobbo]

Hasnt MAN always been the stronger market for EK?

 

[ethanegcc]

Hasnt MAN always been the stronger market for EK?

Yes, 'Manchester still higher'

They tried a fourth flight 77W from LGW and cut it didn't they. The big question in a year or so: 'can MAN handle that?'

 

[Dobbo]

Not sure, MAN might be at a tipping point where more direct flights become feasible.

 

[Coathanger16]

Hate to be the mean one, and I don't usually defend Gatwick, but...

Whilst on the surface it may seem like Manchester is doing better than Gatwick, you must also remember that Heathrow is less than 30 miles from Gatwick, and currently has 13 daily flights to Dubai, 8 of which are A380's. Put that kind of competition 30 miles from Manchester, and I doubt you'd see passengers figures as high for Dubai as they are now. Gatwick is actually doing incredibly well.

Good sign for Manchester being able to maintain those figures though, especially with the increasing competition from CX, SQ & HU.

 

[Dobbo]

Good point Coathanger.

However LGW doesn't have EY, QR, SV. The pattern is repeated with CX (no HU or SQ) but the longer the flight the more likely, in my view, someone would choose the direct option from LHR.

Across the UK, EKs numbers continue to be remarkable.

 

[rutamkrd]

The daily seat count other than over the usual short low season that is May/June should actually be higher than out of Gatwick as they get three 3 class aircraft ,whilst Manchester retains one rotation a day with the giant capacity two class aircraft.

Emirates out of Gatwick chases a differing market to Heathrow in the main and are complimentary - They like to route the package business through this terminal facility.

The competition of BA, VS and Brunei hardly dent EK at all.

 

[Aceshigh]

Given the news that Birmingham is losing an Emirates flight is it possible their growth curve is slowing. This comes on top of employment reduction.

They are of course two different markets but I hope people don't jump on the "regional can't support long haul jibe" without recourse to the wider picture.