Archive Route Development & Rumours

[Dobbo]

Obviously self interest involved but...



Scoot deny the rumoured India-Europe plans.

http://www.zeebiz.com/companies/new...ng-haul-flights-says-scoot-airlines-23626/amp


While CPH confirm they are in dialogue with Scoot...

https://standby.dk/maaske-ny-langrute-koebenhavns-lufthavn/

(Extract from google translate)
Copenhagen Airport confirms to standby.dk that it is "in dialogue" with Scoot, but there is nothing concrete about a possible route.

 

[User001]

Airlines often deny new routes, but you have to ask the question, if this isn't true, then why publicly:

-have 4 specific Euro/African destinations been mentioned
-pricing guidelines published
-1 20kg bag included
-CPH confirms its in talks

These details haven't just been made up out of thin air, someone has talked and TZ/SQ didn't like it.

 

[IanFarquharson]

I heard exactly the same thing yesterday in that Scoot will not SIN-India-UK but will look to add direct routes to Europe from SIN which are NOT served by Singapore Airlines.
BHX must be with a shout and for getting HK Airlines, BHX RD team have been out there a lot recently

 

[User001]

We just need to watch this space.

After a quiet few weeks, there are a few MAN long hauls back in the iron, and all will be revealed in time.

2018 may have a slight lull compared to previous years, but 2019 looks to be 'back in business'.

 

[Dobbo]

I've not seen anything about Kuwait for some time.

Good to see renewed vigour for the Indian subcontinent and Far East markets. Perhaps not repeated for the North American markets, but keeping what we have for the next couple of years would be a decent outcome.

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Quick question. We know that Norwegian and Vueling (except BCN) have walked away from their sunshine routes ex-MAN for W17/18. Do we have any indication as to whether they plan to restore these for S18 season? Thanks.

 

[IanFarquharson]

Looks like NAX will drop all routes from MAN & BHX for S18

 

[Land23R]

Does that include the Scandinavian routes from MAN Ian?

 

[User001]

No the Scandinavian routes are still bookable for S18. SVG isn't at the moment but that always gets loaded a bit later on.

It's too early to be sure if the beach routes will return, as D8 still holding slots for them, but, we will soon see.

 

[IanFarquharson]

Sorry I meant sun routes !
Vuelling look to be going the same way and pulling back.

 

[User001]

Yes just a daily BCN will remain next summer, but BA may be adding flights.

 

[Dobbo]

Hi User, BA, or BA City Flyer?

 

[IanFarquharson]

It would be Cityflyer
Mainline BA have no interest in going back into the regions

 

[User001]

It's going to be a mix. One Sun Air route (Gothenburg) and there is talk of a slightly longer week from Cityflyer too (Wed-Sun instead of Thu-Sun)

 

[Dobbo]

I can see why Cityflyer would want to fly a longer week, but how can they do that whilst serving LCY?

Also, how can the Embracier aircraft compete with the A320s on higher capacity routes like BCN?

 

[User001]

Well, I think they are taking some slack out of LCY flights and don't forget they serve MAN on a Friday, which is a busy day for LCY. Wednesday is also a quieter day but will probably entail a late Wednesday flight to MAN then another flight or 2 on Thursday.

Then there is the second based aircraft on Saturday which could bolster flights to Palma, Malaga and Alicante to 2 weekly. Nice could also go 2 weekly on a Fri and Sun morning to capture the weekend market.

It probably won't be long before we get a full week based aircraft. Let's face it, the aircraft spends just as long at MAN now as it does at LCY.

No terms of capacity, it's not the quantity BA are aiming for, it's the quality. They are not aiming to compete directly against the low costs, with club Europe, interlining and more legroom, it's about carving their own niche.

 

[Jerry]

I can see why Cityflyer would want to fly a longer week, but how can they do that whilst serving LCY?

Also, how can the Embracier aircraft compete with the A320s on higher capacity routes like BCN?

They would have to expand there fleet and the only way an Embraer could compete is if it was part of a hub feed or providing for a specific type of passenger like business passengers.

 

[Aceshigh]

I suspect adding sun routes to the BA Holiday brand from anywhere is always bound to be a winner given their brand penetration.

 

[Dobbo]

India

The Indian market seems one to keep an eye on, if this article from Bloomberg is to be believed.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ing-against-airbus-in-low-cost-long-haul-push

The market (presumably outbound Indian market) has been described as "incredibly price sensitive" but "expanding at a 20% annual clip".

We now seem to have a plethora of Indian carriers lining up to order aircraft in order to commence long haul operations to Europe and elsewhere. A number of them have publicly expressed a wish to serve Manchester in the past (Scoot, Jet, Vistara) and a number have no publicly stated plans to do so (Spicejet, Air India, IndiGo).

It now seems a matter of time before one of the above serves the India-Manchester market.

 

[Borneobob]

Well it's nice to see that a few of the routes that have been mentioned in this thread have been picked up in the last year by MAN, but still no mention of anyone starting FLR.
Could this be a route that BA might be interested in?
What do other people think of HOP to Orly, and maybe someone serving Asturias/Oviedo during the summer months? Volotea would be nice. It's getting really popular the North coast of Spain.
Also what are the chances of VS to Havana??