Emirates

[IanFarquharson]

Still back on Wednesday or has this changed again?

Personally CANNOT WAIT for the old 2 class 777s back with the old hardly functioning ICE...

No delayed till at least September !

 

[RichL]

Oh wow!!

 

[Brum X]

No delayed till at least September !

At least September ? It looks in doubt for September then ?

Maybe October now ??

 

[JENNYJET]

If Emirates decision makers are watching the uncontrolled crowds on our beaches and more localised lockdowns, they not return until next year. The UK is not considered a safe country medically and I despair at the attitude of some people that consider personal rights and freedoms more important than the general health of the national good.

This is a personal view not intended to offend any member and not because I am housebound. Sitting on my back doorstep with a cold beer and the company of Peggy is holiday enough, with TMS on the radio, heavenly!

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

If Emirates decision makers are watching the uncontrolled crowds on our beaches and more localised lockdowns, they not return until next year. The UK is not considered a safe country medically and I despair at the attitude of some people that consider personal rights and freedoms more important than the general health of the national good.

And yet 10,20,30 years ago they'd of looked at the UK as the safest country medically. Forefront of medicine & health service.

 

[JENNYJET]

I agree Sherburnflyer, but social attitudes have since changed. The concept of accepting authority without question for one has diminished and I fear the recent events show this clearly on the airwaves when political persons are shredded by journalists rather than examined closely and professionally.

 

[LichfieldBlue]

when policy makers flout their own policies this is what you get, how can such an irresponsible government led by an unelected puppet master be in a position to expect the people it governs to respect its muddled authority?

 

[mullion]

Our figures for the virus are now a lot better than many European countries incl Spain, France Belgium to name 3 and latest figures are only just behind Germany with one of the best now Italy.

 

[Deleted member 8277]

when policy makers flout their own policies this is what you get, how can such an irresponsible government led by an unelected puppet master be in a position to expect the people it governs to respect its muddled authority?

You really think that labour would be doing a better job, especially with who would have been the prime minister..... Corbyn !!!!!!!!!

 

[Coathanger16]

RE: how is the UK doing? Found this article interesting to read the other day:

Coronavirus: Is the UK in a better position than we think?

The negative headlines come thick-and-fast, but there are also signs the UK is on top of the virus.

www.bbc.co.uk

The other key source of data - the cases found by testing - shows numbers have started going up. They are now more than 40% higher than they were in the second week of July on a rolling-seven day average.

But that masks the fact the number of tests being carried out is increasing and being targeted at areas where infection rates are highest.

If you test more, you are likely to find more.

So if you look at the percentage of tests that are positive, the rise is marginal once you iron out the daily fluctuations.

Pre-covid, the UK was Emirates largest market, accounting for approximately 25% of the airlines capacity. Emirates is currently flying to 5 US destinations vs 12 before Covid, compared to 3 out of 8 UK destinations (equates to~42% of USA destinations and ~38% of UK destinations). The UK is certainly dealing with Covid better than the USA and accounts for a larger percentage of Emirates network.

Barring any major outbreaks I'm confident Emirates will be back at BHX before the end of the year, and likely no latter than the start of the winter schedule, which is when Qatar is currently planning on resuming flights.

 

[nancledre]

May I ask members to stop beating their own political drum. We ALL have opinions, but this is not the place to air them. Let us here hope that Emirates are back on the tarmac at BHX in the non too distant future - meanwhile stay safe

 

[RichL]

Manchester and London fine for Emirates but nobody in the Midlands needs to get anywhere?

Okay...

 

[Coathanger16]

Considering India and Australia are basically closed to foreigners at the moment, a large proportion of the passengers that usually fly with Emirates wouldn't be flying even if Emirates was currently serving BHX.

Because of those and other countries essentially being closed, there simply isn't enough demand yet to warrant restarting flights to BHX. Those that do want to travel can via LHR or MAN, thereby helping those routes remain profitable.

Option A, serve:
LHR, 80% LF, Profitable
MAN, 80% LF, Profitable

or

Option B, serve:

LHR, 50% LF, Not Profitable
MAN, 50% LF, Not Profitable
BHX, 50% LF, Not Profitable

No business would (or should) choose option B.

 

[mullion]

Malasia and Brunai both coming off quarantine list so now available

 

[RichL]

Considering India and Australia are basically closed to foreigners at the moment, a large proportion of the passengers that usually fly with Emirates wouldn't be flying even if Emirates was currently serving BHX.

Because of those and other countries essentially being closed, there simply isn't enough demand yet to warrant restarting flights to BHX. Those that do want to travel can via LHR or MAN, thereby helping those routes remain profitable.

Option A, serve:
LHR, 80% LF, Profitable
MAN, 80% LF, Profitable

or

Option B, serve:

LHR, 50% LF, Not Profitable
MAN, 50% LF, Not Profitable
BHX, 50% LF, Not Profitable

No business would (or should) choose option B.

Sorry, I'm going to be that annoying @rse and say why though?

Why is there currently no market / option / desire to fly from Birmingham but a market suddenly re-appears in both London and Manchester? Even bloody Glasgow for that matter. Who decides this? The same people who decide that they wont sell F seats on the Birmingham flight? Who has decided everyone from Birmingham is poor and can't afford first class and yet everyone in Manchester only flies F or J?

If, like you say, India and Australia are closed as you put it, where is everyone flying from M, L and G (as already written, CBA writing the cities out again) flying to? Everyone on those flights live and work in Dubai? But nobody in the Midlands and our catchment area does? Cobblers!! (not directed at you, its just a lame excuse)

 

[IanFarquharson]

Sorry, I'm going to be that annoying arse and say why though?

Why is there currently no market / option / desire to fly from Birmingham but a market suddenly re-appears in both London and Manchester? Even bloody Glasgow for that matter. Who decides this? The same people who decide that they wont sell F seats on the Birmingham flight? Who has decided everyone from Birmingham is poor and can't afford first class and yet everyone in Manchester only flies F or J?

If, like you say, India and Australia are closed as you put it, where is everyone flying from M, L and G (as already written, CBA writing the cities out again) flying to? Everyone on those flights live and work in Dubai? But nobody in the Midlands and our catchment area does? Cobblers!! (not directed at you, its just a lame excuse)

As I said a few weeks ago EK would rather send BHX customers to London or Manchester as LF's are very low
They cannot justify adding back BHX yet.
Better off trying to fill the MAN / LHR flights.
Hates me to say it - but it is true !

 

[Coathanger16]

Regardless of which countries are open or closed, demand is down.

Pre-Covid, Heathrow and Manchester were busier routes than BHX, probably with a better yield too.

Simply put, at the moment there's not enough demand from the UK as a whole to warrant Emirates serving more than 3 destinations. Resume BHX too soon, loads at LHR & MAN would fall, and yields across BHX, MAN and LHR would be too low to be profitable. Serving LHR, MAN and GLA allows Emirates better coverage of the UK vs replacing one of those 3 with BHX.

Replace LHR with BHX - never going to happen. London's a bigger market than the rest of the UK combined.

Replace GLA with BHX - Scotland not served at all.

Replace MAN with BHX - forgetting about London & Scotland, MAN is more convenient for more passengers than BHX.


As for First? It's a dying market and was before Covid. Are there passengers in the Midlands who would fly First? Probably. Enough for multiple flights per week, every week of the year? I doubt it. For those that are precious enough about flying First, its available from Heathrow and on some Manchester flights.

 

[IanFarquharson]

Regardless of which countries are open or closed, demand is down.

Pre-Covid, Heathrow and Manchester were busier routes than BHX, probably with a better yield too.

Simply put, at the moment there's not enough demand from the UK as a whole to warrant Emirates serving more than 3 destinations. Resume BHX too soon, loads at LHR & MAN would fall, and yields across BHX, MAN and LHR would be too low to be profitable. Serving LHR, MAN and GLA allows Emirates better coverage of the UK vs replacing one of those 3 with BHX.

Replace LHR with BHX - never going to happen. London's a bigger market than the rest of the UK combined.

Replace GLA with BHX - Scotland not served at all.

Replace MAN with BHX - forgetting about London & Scotland, MAN is more convenient for more passengers than BHX.


As for First? It's a dying market and was before Covid. Are there passengers in the Midlands who would fly First? Probably. Enough for multiple flights per week, every week of the year? I doubt it. For those that are precious enough about flying First, its available from Heathrow and on some Manchester flights.

Spot on Coathanger16
Agree the Midlands has always been a low yielding area, so first class East or West is out the question.
Ian

 

[TheLocalYokel]

As for First? It's a dying market and was before Covid. Are there passengers in the Midlands who would fly First? Probably. Enough for multiple flights per week, every week of the year? I doubt it. For those that are precious enough about flying First, its available from Heathrow and on some Manchester flights.

If someone smoked 40 cigarettes a day they would spend in a year an approximate equivalent amount to someone getting an offer return first-class fare to, say, Australasia with EK.

Being a non-smoker, but not one who roundly criticises smokers (it's their personal choice), I would prefer spending my money on a first-class ticket than on cigarettes.

First-class with EK is also available from Gatwick or was until pre-COVID. I'm not sure about the current situation.

 

[RichL]

Sorry, maybe I am coming across as entitled and demanding but I assure you that is not the case I simply do not understand how there is zero market in the Midlands right now.

Of course I understand covid and the affect that has had on the world. Currently my (not literally) TCS, TATA, Wipro staff are having to travel up and down the country to get to and from India.

What I do not understand, and I will never be able to understand is that there is no demand in the middle of the entire country to get anywhere.

The comment I made about first class again maybe it is / was a dying market. I wasn't really referring to whether people in the south are more inclined to fly F it was more about who decided there is no market in the middle of England for F? I mean they DID try it - on the 41/42 flights and got nothing. It would have been much better to introduce it on 37/38... doesn't matter anymore anyway.