KLM

[LBAYORKIE]

Have you ever actually worked Christmas Day? We seem to have this conversation every year now.

Sat in the comfort of your own home in front of the fire in your best attire awaiting the arrival of family and friends. The fizz is popping, and you're all rocking, and tucking into your turkey and sprouts.

Spare a thought for those who have to work Christmas and for those who don't have to but do.

It is my understanding that airlines such as Jet2 and Ryanair don't schedule flights on Christmas Day. As Leeds' largest operators, its no wonder LBA doesn't open on Christmas Day.

Airlines like Tui do fly on Christmas Day and I would imagine if they decided to operate a based unit from LBA they would almost certainly demand the airport was open.

I think I worked Christmas day (a long time ago so I could be wrong) when I worked at the airport and more recently when I was in forwarding spent part of the day working from home (shipping and air freight are 24/7)

I would like to think LBA asked Wizz if they wanted to fly Christmas day and they declined.

Im not saying its wrong not to open, just stating the fact that Leeds is quite isolated in its policy.

Yes, we had same conversation last year, as I pointed out a few posts ago.

 

[Aviador]

As I pointed out in my previous post, the main airlines flying from Leeds don't currently offer Christmas Day flights so there's really no point in offering flights for just a couple of departures. Clearly KLM are easygoing on the subject. They have been flying from LBA for many decades. I am sure this will change in the years to come if Tui return with a base and if airlines like Turkish make an appearance.

 

[quik123]

I worked shifts of some sort or other most of my working life. I often worked Xmas day and never felt 'entitled' to a day off. It goes with the job. Also, note that LBA staff who are rostered to work on the day have to use a days leave when the airport decides to shut. When I worked at LBA our department usually managed to alter or swap shifts to suit everybody. I loathe everything about the modern Xmas so wasn't bothered either way. It used to open just for the PIA flight (and maybe KLM) so it was clearly thought OK then. I'm sure it's just a financial decision these days, and lets face it, apart from a few on here, nobody cares! It will all be back to normal the next day (today).

 

[White Heather]

MME and HUY must have lost money too as must NWI and a few others but they obviously see things differently perhaps from a passenger perspective?

Anyway its no big deal.

To say it's no big deal, you seem to be making a big deal of it!

 

[LBAYORKIE]

To say it's no big deal, you seem to be making a big deal of it!

Not at all. Im just making an observation.

 

[Aviador]

Perhaps personal situations might suit some to be in work? That's fine too, but lets not deny the one day a year to those who just want to be able to spend time with friends and family without having to reorganise their work pattern.

I have worked a number of Christmas Days before. I worked one Christmas when there was no flying. Although it was a nice enough atmosphere and some of us managed a stroll down the runway. It was sad to know my young daughter was at home missing her dad during a period that is meant to be about togetherness.

Obviously, there are thousands of people who work throughout Christmas, in care homes, hospitals and the emergency services and not forgetting those who will be working at airports all around the country.

 

[AirBingley]

I’m not sure if this is old news but AMS have amended their proposed flight cap for 2024 and KLM have said they will be amending capacity ”where demand requires” accordingly. Assuming engine issues are resolved does this give us a chance of our 4th flight back?

 

[White Heather]

I’m not sure if this is old news but AMS have amended their proposed flight cap for 2024 and KLM have said they will be amending capacity ”where demand requires” accordingly. Assuming engine issues are resolved does this give us a chance of our 4th flight back?

I think it's only the E195-2 aircraft affected, but I guess it depends on how long it takes to sort them out and the impact in their fleet. Let's hope so though. They need to do some rebuilding after their recent record.

 

[Len Fish]

An article that explains in some detail the impact of the engine problems on the KLM E195-E2s.

KLM Cityhopper Exec Confronts Engine MRO Capacity Shortage | Aviation Week Network

KLM Cityhopper is pressing Pratt & Whitney for detailed engine MRO plans to avoid possible grounding of aircraft in 2024.

aviationweek.com

 

[Len Fish]

I’m not sure if this is old news but AMS have amended their proposed flight cap for 2024 and KLM have said they will be amending capacity ”where demand requires” accordingly. Assuming engine issues are resolved does this give us a chance of our 4th flight back?

Am I missing something, don’t we currently have four arrivals and departures a day?

 

[lbaspotter]

Am I missing something, don’t we currently have four arrivals and departures a day?

Yes KLM's Amsterdam - Leeds route is currently operating 4 x daily, but it's due to revert back to 3x daily from the start of the summer 2024 schedule at the end of March.

 

[Len Fish]

Yes KLM's Amsterdam - Leeds route is currently operating 4 x daily, but it's due to revert back to 3x daily from the start of the summer 2024 schedule at the end of March.

Thanks for clarifying, I must have missed the memo!

 

[Finger66]

Keeping Len Misinformed

 

[Len Fish]

Keeping Len Misinformed

Good one

 

[lbaspotter]

KLM CITY HOPPER SUMMER 2024 SCHEDULE

KLM City Hopper have yet again been making some changes to the Leeds/Bradford - Amsterdam schedule for this summer 2024 season.
As previously reported the frequency is reduced from 4x daily to 3x daily (Mon-Fri) but better news the is that the 3rd daily Saturday afternoon rotation has been reinstated meaning we now have 21x weekly flights.
As has been the case for a number of years now during the summer school holidays we see another reduction in seat capacity as the smaller Embraer 175 are reintroduce on the weekday mid-morning rotation and on quite a few of the weekend rotations.

The flight numbers are changing, gone are KLM1540-1551 to be replaced by KLM1018-1025.

Up to 21x weekly* (3x daily Mon-Sun)
E190 = Embraer 190
E175 = Embraer 175

Mondays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 01/04-21/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 01/04-24/06 (German A)
KLM1019 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:35 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E175 01/07-19/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 26/08-22/10 (German A)
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 01/04-21/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 01/04-24/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 01/07-19/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 26/08-21/10

Tuesdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 02/04-22/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 02/04-25/06 (German A)
KLM1019 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:35 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E175 02/07-20/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 27/08-22/10 (German A)
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 02/04-22/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 02/04-25/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 02/07-20/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 27/08-22/10

Wednesdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 03/04-23/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 03/04-26/06 (German A)
KLM1019 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:35 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E175 03/07-21/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 28/08-23/10 (German A)
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 03/04-23/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 03/04-26/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 03/07-21/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 28/08-23/10

Thursdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 04/04-24/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 04/04-27/06 (German A)
KLM1019 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:35 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E175 04/07-22/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 29/08-24/10 (German A)
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 04/04-24/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 04/04-27/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 04/07-22/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 29/08-24/10

Fridays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 05/04-25/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 05/04-28/06 (German A)
KLM1019 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:35 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E175 05/07-23/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 30/08-25/10 (German A)
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 05/04-25/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 05/04-28/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 05/07-23/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 30/08-25/10

Saturdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 06/04-26/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 06/04-22/06 (German A)
KLM1019 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:35 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E175 29/06-24/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 31/08-26/10 (German A)
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 06/04-22/06
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E175 29/06-24/08
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 31/08-26/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 06/04-22/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E175 29/06-24/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 31/08-26/10

Sundays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 31/03-23/06
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E175 30/06-25/08
--------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:35 = E190 01/09-20/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 31/03-20/10 (German A)
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 31/03-23/06
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E175 30/06-25/08
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 01/09-20/10
KLM1025 = AMS 22:10 - LBA 22:20 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 31/03-23/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 30/06-25/08
KLM1025 = AMS 22:10 - LBA 22:20 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 01/09-20/10

 

[lbaspotter]

All change from tonight

Gone are flight numbers KLM1540-1551 from tomorrow it’s KLM1018-1025

 

[LBAYORKIE]

All change from tonight

Gone are flight numbers KLM1540-1551 from tomorrow it’s KLM1018-1025

Teesside and Humberside flights now operated by Eastern of course (with '9' prefixes). I wonder how reliable they have been thus far?

 

[Finger66]

Looking at the dried fruit forum it looks to be a bit hit and miss with some lengthy delays so won't help connections. However in the event of fairness there has also been some defence of Eastern perhaps attributing some of it to AMS slot restrictions. That said I think we all have a fairly good hunch on how we think this will go/end...........

 

[pug]

Looking at the dried fruit forum it looks to be a bit hit and miss with some lengthy delays so won't help connections. However in the event of fairness there has also been some defence of Eastern perhaps attributing some of it to AMS slot restrictions. That said I think we all have a fairly good hunch on how we think this will go/end...........

Think it’s been hit and miss so far. Teesside seems to be faring worse than Humberside generally, but yesterday the 16:45 actually arrived at 18:44! In fairness Eastern do appear to be investing in this so there is a will to make it a success, but I still feel there is a risk of managing to destruction on KLMs part here. Losing this link would be a disaster for Humberside and Teesside.

 

[Seasider]

Please continue this discussion I the MME and HUY.