KLM

[White Heather]

After doing a bit of research regarding the E series landing capabilities it seems the older series come as standard with CAT 2, but CAT3 capability is optional. The newer E2 series (KLM operates the 195-E2) comes with CAT 3 capability as standard.

But typically, it's the E2 series I believe that is suffering the same engine issues as the Airbus NEOs with P&W engines? So a lot will be grounded for inspection and repairs either now, or soon.

 

[BCFC]

After doing a bit of research regarding the E series landing capabilities it seems the older series come as standard with CAT 2, but CAT3 capability is optional. The newer E2 series (KLM operates the 195-E2) comes with CAT 3 capability as standard.

But the customer having to connect in AMS too wherever they are going don't know or care about CAT2 or CAT3 capabilities or engine issues, they just want to get from A to B to C.

 

[EX9]

The KLM cancelations are not solely linked to LBA as already mentioned. Its been a combination of the weather at LBA, AMS and the fleet issues.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

An interesting article that places our KLM services into context:

https://simpleflying.com/klm-uk-network-analysis-december-2023/

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Intersting - we are head of Glasgow and Bristol in terms of frequency of flights yet Glasgow probably is further ahead in terms of capacity.

We really need a 737-800/900 daily visit I think it'll do KLM good and the world of good for the airport. There is a lot of O/D demand between Leeds and Amsterdam that can be tapped into.

Mind you their globalist government (well not now thank god) are doing all they can to hamper aviation sector all in the name of some made up crap called ******* ******. Be interesting to see the direction they head in and therefore what good news, as it ultimately will be, that brings for Leeds.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Intersting - we are head of Glasgow and Bristol in terms of frequency of flights yet Glasgow probably is further ahead in terms of capacity.

We really need a 737-800/900 daily visit I think it'll do KLM good and the world of good for the airport. There is a lot of O/D demand between Leeds and Amsterdam that can be tapped into.

Mind you their globalist government (well not now thank god) are doing all they can to hamper aviation sector all in the name of some made up crap called ******* *******. Be interesting to see the direction they head in and therefore what good news, as it ultimately will be, that brings for Leeds.

Good points. My main concern currently is that they should stop eroding customer confidence and start operating all the flights they schedule.

 

[Gray Ham]

I have to agree that providing a reliable schedule, whatever the aircraft, needs to be the priority. I've used KLM much less since a year or two before Covid (used to be gold card holder) and I can’t recall a single trip in past 5 years which has gone to plan, usually some long delay and on a couple of occasions overnight delays and/or changes of airport. I am aware that Schiphol airport can be problematic, as can LBA, especially in inclement weather, which isn’t KLM’s fault, but, together, the risk of a disrupted journey is now at a level which makes it difficult to embark on a journey with KLM with confidence. My wife‘s recent experience with KLM on a trip via AMS has made her determined not to use that airline again ( long delay, uncertainty about realising connection, baggage lost both directions). Don’t do long haul that much, but recent journeys made with Lufthansa and Swissair, all went without hitch, but of course sadly not from LBA. Look forward to the time when Lufthansa group might recognise the potential at LBA.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I have to agree that providing a reliable schedule, whatever the aircraft, needs to be the priority. I've used KLM much less since a year or two before Covid (used to be gold card holder) and I can’t recall a single trip in past 5 years which has gone to plan, usually some long delay and on a couple of occasions overnight delays and/or changes of airport. I am aware that Schiphol airport can be problematic, as can LBA, especially in inclement weather, which isn’t KLM’s fault, but, together, the risk of a disrupted journey is now at a level which makes it difficult to embark on a journey with KLM with confidence. My wife‘s recent experience with KLM on a trip via AMS has made her determined not to use that airline again ( long delay, uncertainty about realising connection, baggage lost both directions). Don’t do long haul that much, but recent journeys made with Lufthansa and Swissair, all went without hitch, but of course sadly not from LBA. Look forward to the time when Lufthansa group might recognise the potential at LBA.

If the weathers not flyable, then fair enough, but these days and especially since the increase in the number of daily flights we seem to be getting random cancellations for no apparent reason.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Intersting - we are head of Glasgow and Bristol in terms of frequency of flights yet Glasgow probably is further ahead in terms of capacity.

We really need a 737-800/900 daily visit I think it'll do KLM good and the world of good for the airport. There is a lot of O/D demand between Leeds and Amsterdam that can be tapped into.

Mind you their globalist government (well not now thank god) are doing all they can to hamper aviation sector all in the name of some made up crap called ******* ******. Be interesting to see the direction they head in and therefore what good news, as it ultimately will be, that brings for Leeds.

The night stopping KLM i feel should be a B737-800/900 as im guessing the early morn flight and late inbound would be the most in demand (if anyone can confirm this) or the morning inbound a 737 due to typical LBA weather!
Just the presence of a 737 mainline would im sure sell more seats.

 

[airforced]

Just wondering something as KLM used to be so reliable. Does anyone know if things have gone downhill since their tie up with Air France?

 

[Seasider]

Yes, this is very much unlike KLM. They used to be so reliable and need to get back to that if they want to keep the interlining traffic

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Having read the ACC report I note the airport said that KLM require use of an airbridge. Is it sill the case that none are available?

 

[CM.]

Having read the ACC report I note the airport said that KLM require use of an airbridge. Is it sill the case that none are available?

There is one serviceable on stand 7. There’s also one on stand 8 which hasn’t worked in a longtime. Though most of the time they put the KLM on 8

 

[LBAYORKIE]

There is one serviceable on stand 7. There’s also one on stand 8 which hasn’t worked in a longtime. Though most of the time they put the KLM on 8

Strange then if KLM require an airbridge and one is serviceable that the airport dont park them on it.

 

[Len Fish]

Not clear then if air bridge use is a KLM requirement. Do the other U.K. airports KLM fly to have air bridges? Teeside, Norwich?

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Not clear then if air bridge use is a KLM requirement. Do the other U.K. airports KLM fly to have air bridges? Teeside, Norwich?

It was mentioned at the ACC that they require an airbridge.

 

[Statto]

It was mentioned at the ACC that they require an airbridge

Are you sure? WH said that when planning for airbridges, KLM were the only airline who wished to use them. It’s a bit of a leap to say that means they require them

 

[White Heather]

Are you sure? WH said that when planning for airbridges, KLM were the only airline who wished to use them. It’s a bit of a leap to say that means they require them

They are the only airline who will use them by choice and pay to do so . Perhaps that clarifies? Others will use the airbridge if they have to, (eg Jet2, but not Ryanair). Whether they pay to do so is another matter.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I've seen Ryanair use the airbridge stand but not the airbridge stand it's self.

 

[LBA787]

KLM don’t have a choice at BRS, NWI, HUY, MME, ABZ, SOU, LCY & INV.