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[Jerry]

is there therefore enough demand from Leeds/Bradford for 17,880 + 9,360 = 27,240 seats a month? personnally I don't think so.

There probably is but a lot of it will already be using Manchester and Easyjet will be reluctant to dilute their route at Manchester in favour of LeedsBradford

 

[White Heather]

There probably is but a lot of it will already be using Manchester and Easyjet will be reluctant to dilute their route at Manchester in favour of LeedsBradford

That, surely, will be dependent upon their future plans for LBA? If they have no interest in expansion at LBA then yes , they will be looking to preserve what they have at MAN, but if they are intending growth at LBA then at some point diluting their MAN route is going to happen, not just on AMS, but on any route already served at MAN.

We dont yet know what their intentions are, but we do know LBA are very much after seeing more of them here so some growth is likely in the next year or two and the odds are that whatever route they do, it'll already be operated at MAN.

 

[Jerry]

they have no interest in expansion at LBA then yes , they will be looking to preserve what they have at MAN, but if they are intending growth at LBA then at some point diluting their MAN route is going to happen, not just on AMS, but on any route already served at MAN.

Well I'd expect that any strategy would be to take passengers away from their rivals like Ryanair and Jet2 not themselves.

 

[White Heather]

Well I'd expect that any strategy would be to take passengers away from their rivals like Ryanair and Jet2 not themselves.

Based on that theory, they wouldn't be operating LBA to BFS, diluting their MAN route, yet they are, and with increasing frequency/capacity.

If there are sufficient passengers to fly from LBA to AMS and if they have growth plans here ( a big IF) then they will fly the route, slots permitting. I'm sure their MAN route would survive the shock!

Bear in mind that not so long ago, AMS was LBAs busiest route but it's becoming a shadow of it's former self . There's undoubtedly a lot of demand at LBA that's no longer met. If easyJet don't want it then the door opens for another airline who might, and that would still impact easyJet out of MAN.

 

[gulftraveller]

Domestic routes such as Belfast have enough demand to make LBA-BFS irrelevant to their Manchester operation. I also think that LBA-AMS has similar slack but then the issue is KLM.

If EZY do decide to expand at LBA, they will ensure they are not competing against themselves at MAN on any route. So I would predict a small EasyJet Holidays led schedule to the usual holiday destinations. This would depend on what slack they see with Jet2 Holidays and, the soon to be, Ryanair Holidays.

 

[Jerry]

Based on that theory, they wouldn't be operating LBA to BFS, diluting their MAN route, yet they are, and with increasing frequency/capacity.

True but if I remember correctly they launched that after the Flybe collapse looking at taking Flybe passenger so not so much their own.
With a route like Amsterdam Easyjet will need to be confident it won't dilute its Manchester route.

If easyJet don't want it then the door opens for another airline who might, and that would still impact easyJet out of MAN.

Who? There's not really much other options especially on a route like Amsterdam. Jet2 used to operate it didn't they but dropped it.

 

[Aviador]

Well I'd expect that any strategy would be to take passengers away from their rivals like Ryanair and Jet2 not themselves.

You can't compare Manchester with Leeds. Nearly all KLM passengers will be getting onward connections not just going to Amsterdam. So they're competing with Emirates, Etihad and Turkish for example. For this reason we know there is huge growth potential for KLM growth at LBA but without the competition they will continue to saunter merrily along as they do.

 

[Jerry]

You can't compare Manchester with Leeds. Nearly all KLM passengers will be getting onward connections not just going to Amsterdam. So they're competing with Emirates, Etihad and Turkish for example. For this reason we know there is huge growth potential for KLM growth at LBA but without the competition they will continue to saunter merrily along as they do.

And as a result a lot of the direct point 2 point traffic will go to Manchester because KLM are so expensive in that regard. Its what I did when went to Amsterdam last year KLM were twice as expensive as Easyjet.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

And as a result a lot of the direct point 2 point traffic will go to Manchester because KLM are so expensive in that regard. Its what I did when went to Amsterdam last year KLM were twice as expensive as Easyjet.

As soon as Jet2 cane off the route the prices went up. I remember when Jet2 were still flying KLM were often cheaper.

 

[752]

If i recall correctly last winter with KLM was 3 daily, then the 4th got announced later. Isn't 3 daily normal? its 3 daily for summer. Its a shame its not 4 all year round. but i do think it would be great to get easyJet on the route x2 weekly to start with.

Hopefully KLM will add / look to add more

 

[markietg]

I didn’t realise EasyJet offer up to 6 flights a day on the MAN-AMS route matching KLM.

 

[White Heather]

Yes and it's a good bet that 30% of those passengers originate from the LBA catchment area..

 

[Aviador]

Yes and it's a good bet that 30% of those passengers originate from the LBA catchment area..

At least.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Yes and it's a good bet that 30% of those passengers originate from the LBA catchment area..

So Easyjet could be reducing MAN flights if they launch LBA.

 

[gulftraveller]

That won’t happen as they will protect their operations at MAN. EZY and RYR apparently enjoy higher yields from MAN than most other airports.

 

[Jerry]

As soon as Jet2 cane off the route the prices went up. I remember when Jet2 were still flying KLM were often cheaper.

Which is odd in a way as they're essentially after different markets but I suppose some of the Amsterdam only market must have transferred over to KLM.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

That won’t happen as they will protect their operations at MAN. EZY and RYR apparently enjoy higher yields from MAN than most other airports.

But it must be a consequence of starting flights on the same route(s) from Leeds. If 30% of the pax are from our area they will need 30% less flights fro. Manchester.

 

[White Heather]

But it must be a consequence of starting flights on the same route(s) from Leeds. If 30% of the pax are from our area they will need 30% less flights fro. Manchester.

I think the point being made is that they won't want to operate to AMS from LBA to protect their profits out of MAN. The usual story I'm afraid. As long as the airline is making money, they're happy. The fact that a large number of their passengers are having to travel to MAN when there's an airport on their doorstep crying out for another operator on the route is irrelevant.

 

[gulftraveller]

But the point is that LCC airlines such as EZY and RYR create demand. People who would not normally be travelling see a good deal from their local airport and fly. LPL has EZY operating routes where the effect on the route from MAN is minimal or none.

If LBA is crying out for routes - AMS or otherwise, there will need to be some kind of route viability study, rather than just gut instinct.

 

[dmrodgers]

But the point is that LCC airlines such as EZY and RYR create demand. People who would not normally be travelling see a good deal from their local airport and fly. LPL has EZY operating routes where the effect on the route from MAN is minimal or none.

If LBA is crying out for routes - AMS or otherwise, there will need to be some kind of route viability study, rather than just gut instinct.

I agree with your comment, a good deal from LBA to AMS would see me and my family travel three or four times a year for long weekends over to the Nederlands, The high cost of KLM from LBA and the horrendous journey over the M62 means we don't travel so lost revenue for the airlines.