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Teen quizzed over Liverpool Airport laser incident
A 16-year-old boy has been quizzed by police and arrested on suspicion of endangering aircraft after a laser pen was shone at an plane and police helicopter.
An easyJet flight from Belfast was approaching Liverpool Airport when the pilot reported the light shining into the cockpit last Friday evening. Police also reported a laser pen being shone at their helicopter that was operating in the area. Officers on the ground stopped a car in Speke and arrested the teenager.
A Merseyside Police spokesman said the teenager was interviewed by officers on suspicion of endangering an aircraft and released on police bail pending further enquiries.
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Why is it that these dangerous things are so hard to ban. Surely it wouldn't be hard to ban shops from selling them?
A 16-year-old boy has been quizzed by police and arrested on suspicion of endangering aircraft after a laser pen was shone at an plane and police helicopter.
An easyJet flight from Belfast was approaching Liverpool Airport when the pilot reported the light shining into the cockpit last Friday evening. Police also reported a laser pen being shone at their helicopter that was operating in the area. Officers on the ground stopped a car in Speke and arrested the teenager.
A Merseyside Police spokesman said the teenager was interviewed by officers on suspicion of endangering an aircraft and released on police bail pending further enquiries.
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Why is it that these dangerous things are so hard to ban. Surely it wouldn't be hard to ban shops from selling them?
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They could be banned in that way but it would take a law change to do it and parliamentary time is usually heavily taken up already, so unless government saw in it political advantages for themselves it might be difficult. As always, it will probably take something catastrophic before the legislators' minds are concentrated on the problem.
Are there any legitimate reasons for members of the public to have these things and, if there are, would their lives become unbearable to endure if they were prevented from having them?
Are there any legitimate reasons for members of the public to have these things and, if there are, would their lives become unbearable to endure if they were prevented from having them?
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easyJet demand Liverpool Airport security queues shortened
Liverpool Airport’s biggest airline customer has demanded it tackles security delays – which it claims cause dozens of passengers to miss their flights every day, the Daily Post reports. As the airport prepared for one of its busiest weekends of the year, easyJet launched a scathing attack on its bosses, accusing them of failing to staff security lanes properly.
easyJet spokesman Andrew McConnell said passengers still face huge queues. He told the newspaper: ‘Enough is enough. Passengers are missing flights because of a lack of security at the airport.’ He said the airline, which carried 2.33m passengers at Liverpool Airport last year - out of a total of 4.95m - and operates 27 routes from the airport, has held talks with the airport over its grievances.
He said: ‘We have called on them to employ more staff, they say that’s not the solution, we say it is. Telling people to arrive earlier is not good enough. It's time the airport put its hand in its pocket and employed more security staff. Dozens of passengers each day are missing flights because of the security issues.'
However, an airport spokesman refuted the claim that dozens of passengers miss flights every day due to security delays. He said: ‘There have been no passengers reported by any airlines as having missed flights due to security delays for some time. Additional security staff is not the issue. There are sufficient security staff in place. In addition, the airport has been monitoring the area continually throughout this busy period.'
‘The airport does not deny there have been security queues at peak times on certain days. However, the issue is the volumes of passengers and the time at which they are arriving at security.’ He added that an increase in hand luggage by passengers to avoid paying for larger bags within the hold means screening takes longer because of so many liquids being found in hand luggage.
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Liverpool Airport’s biggest airline customer has demanded it tackles security delays – which it claims cause dozens of passengers to miss their flights every day, the Daily Post reports. As the airport prepared for one of its busiest weekends of the year, easyJet launched a scathing attack on its bosses, accusing them of failing to staff security lanes properly.
easyJet spokesman Andrew McConnell said passengers still face huge queues. He told the newspaper: ‘Enough is enough. Passengers are missing flights because of a lack of security at the airport.’ He said the airline, which carried 2.33m passengers at Liverpool Airport last year - out of a total of 4.95m - and operates 27 routes from the airport, has held talks with the airport over its grievances.
He said: ‘We have called on them to employ more staff, they say that’s not the solution, we say it is. Telling people to arrive earlier is not good enough. It's time the airport put its hand in its pocket and employed more security staff. Dozens of passengers each day are missing flights because of the security issues.'
However, an airport spokesman refuted the claim that dozens of passengers miss flights every day due to security delays. He said: ‘There have been no passengers reported by any airlines as having missed flights due to security delays for some time. Additional security staff is not the issue. There are sufficient security staff in place. In addition, the airport has been monitoring the area continually throughout this busy period.'
‘The airport does not deny there have been security queues at peak times on certain days. However, the issue is the volumes of passengers and the time at which they are arriving at security.’ He added that an increase in hand luggage by passengers to avoid paying for larger bags within the hold means screening takes longer because of so many liquids being found in hand luggage.
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Ryanair has a big presence at Liverpool so I'm surprised they haven't weighed in if the situation is as bad as easyJet suggests.
A year or two back Ryanair had a very public row with Stansted Airport management over a similar problem.
I understand the point about passengers carrying more hand luggage which slows things down if liquids have to be taken out.
Though dealing with liquids is pretty standardised at airports other things aren't. Part of the confusion and thus delays in security queues are the result of different practices.
For instance, some airports demand every passenger removes their footwear whilst others are selective or only check if there seems to be a specific reason for doing so: some want all belts removed, others don't.
Cynics will believe that airports such as Liverpool that have express security lanes that attract fees deliberately slow things down.
Bristol has these express security lanes as well but, in fairness, when I flew out in the morning rush a few weeks ago the queues at the normal security cones were well managed and we were through very quickly.
A year or two back Ryanair had a very public row with Stansted Airport management over a similar problem.
I understand the point about passengers carrying more hand luggage which slows things down if liquids have to be taken out.
Though dealing with liquids is pretty standardised at airports other things aren't. Part of the confusion and thus delays in security queues are the result of different practices.
For instance, some airports demand every passenger removes their footwear whilst others are selective or only check if there seems to be a specific reason for doing so: some want all belts removed, others don't.
Cynics will believe that airports such as Liverpool that have express security lanes that attract fees deliberately slow things down.
Bristol has these express security lanes as well but, in fairness, when I flew out in the morning rush a few weeks ago the queues at the normal security cones were well managed and we were through very quickly.
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Get aload of this. Now who in there right mind would try to do such thing.
Source = BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8604663.stm
Source = BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8604663.stm
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I know I shouldn't but...
I know people have tried to smuggle lots of things over the years but that 'bites the biscuit'.
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He'd died the previous day??!!
Must have whiffed a bit!!
I must say I also smiled when I read the piece.
Must have whiffed a bit!!
I must say I also smiled when I read the piece.
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The security rules at airports are standardised but these rules are dependant on the equipment each airport uses. For instance, if an airport such as Liverpool has an older particular piece of scanning equipment then more checks might be needed to meet the Department For Transport requirements. This could sometimes be perceived by the travelling public that each airport is following different rules.
With regards to queues, I can't imagine why any airport would want to see long queues. At most airports you see very few people opting to purchase 'fast track' tickets and by curtailing passenger throughput to the departure lounge will only reduce the passengers ability to spend money before they fly.
The scheduling of aircraft departures will enevitably mean that during certain times of the day, the security channels will be overmanned or undermanned and I imagine it would be a difficult jugglling act to ensure that the correct number of security personnel are working to cover the busy periods.
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The snag is that some airports change their demands for passengers, then change back.
For example, Bristol went through a period two or three years ago when everyone had to remove their footwear. This then changed to selective, seemingly random, footwear searches, whereas the situation a few weeks ago was that only certain types of footwear were required to be removed. I was asked to remove my footwear because they were large walking boots according to the very polite and friendly security operative.
I don't complain about this and there may well have been good reason for the various changes in procedures along the way.
The trouble is it does confuse passengers, particularly regular ones, when the requirements change at the same airport and this can slow things down.
For example, Bristol went through a period two or three years ago when everyone had to remove their footwear. This then changed to selective, seemingly random, footwear searches, whereas the situation a few weeks ago was that only certain types of footwear were required to be removed. I was asked to remove my footwear because they were large walking boots according to the very polite and friendly security operative.
I don't complain about this and there may well have been good reason for the various changes in procedures along the way.
The trouble is it does confuse passengers, particularly regular ones, when the requirements change at the same airport and this can slow things down.
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Liverpool Airport resolves easyJet security queue row
Liverpool Airport passed a security inspection by its main airline easyJet with flying colours, the Echo reports. The report comes after two weeks ago the budget airline demanded extra security staff and equipment, claiming dozens of passengers were missing flights due to security delays.
At the time easyjet said more resources were required but the airport, which is currently building a new security area as part of a £12m terminal upgrade due to open in June, disagreed. However, the newspaper reports that after meetings with easyJet, airport chiefs decided to add more scanning machines and increase the level of its security personnel in an attempt to resolve the problem and row.
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Liverpool Airport passed a security inspection by its main airline easyJet with flying colours, the Echo reports. The report comes after two weeks ago the budget airline demanded extra security staff and equipment, claiming dozens of passengers were missing flights due to security delays.
At the time easyjet said more resources were required but the airport, which is currently building a new security area as part of a £12m terminal upgrade due to open in June, disagreed. However, the newspaper reports that after meetings with easyJet, airport chiefs decided to add more scanning machines and increase the level of its security personnel in an attempt to resolve the problem and row.
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New Liverpool Airport scanner breakdown causes flight chaos
Passengers missed their flights at Liverpool Airport this week after new X-ray scanners broke down, the Echo reports. The machines malfunctioned yesterday - at one of the airport’s peak times for weekend getaways.
The airport is going through a huge re-fit and opened a new ‘central search’ area this week. Six new Rapiscan security scanners were installed on Wednesday, but four broke down yesterday lunchtime. One was fixed quickly, but the other three were out of action for almost an hour, causing huge queues and some passengers to miss their flights.
The airport confirmed seven passengers missed a flight to Bordeaux, and passengers on other flights were also affected. A spokesman told the newspaper: ‘During our lunchtime peak, at one point we had four sets of X-ray machines fail, so we were down to one-third of our capacity to process an awful lot of passengers.'
‘It looks like teething problems. Engineers have been here, they are remaining not just today but over the weekend to make sure that if we have any on-going problems, they are fixed as soon as possible.’
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Passengers missed their flights at Liverpool Airport this week after new X-ray scanners broke down, the Echo reports. The machines malfunctioned yesterday - at one of the airport’s peak times for weekend getaways.
The airport is going through a huge re-fit and opened a new ‘central search’ area this week. Six new Rapiscan security scanners were installed on Wednesday, but four broke down yesterday lunchtime. One was fixed quickly, but the other three were out of action for almost an hour, causing huge queues and some passengers to miss their flights.
The airport confirmed seven passengers missed a flight to Bordeaux, and passengers on other flights were also affected. A spokesman told the newspaper: ‘During our lunchtime peak, at one point we had four sets of X-ray machines fail, so we were down to one-third of our capacity to process an awful lot of passengers.'
‘It looks like teething problems. Engineers have been here, they are remaining not just today but over the weekend to make sure that if we have any on-going problems, they are fixed as soon as possible.’
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After a recent visit to Liverpool Airport, i found the airport security to be awful. In fact i was shocked.
If anyone is aware of "Dungeon Lane", possibly a spotters location im not sure, but basically this road routes around the perimeter near enough and i think may lead to the ATC tower (which isnt actually airside), and passes the threshold of runway 28. When planes are lined up for takeoff or on approach to land, lights flash to stop cars as jetblast has been a problem before. You can stand right inbetween all the ILS/glideslope lighting (not recomended at night when they are on but hey...)
What was of most surprise to me was the fact all that was holding people from getting onto the airfield and indeed runway, so close to this lane was a couple of bushes (some mowed down to provide spotter access/viewing perhaps) and a rotting old wooden fench only 3 foot high! There were no high ten feet high metal reinforced steel fencing/electic fences or barbed wire or anything of that nature.
Surely this cannot be acceptable!
If anyone is aware of "Dungeon Lane", possibly a spotters location im not sure, but basically this road routes around the perimeter near enough and i think may lead to the ATC tower (which isnt actually airside), and passes the threshold of runway 28. When planes are lined up for takeoff or on approach to land, lights flash to stop cars as jetblast has been a problem before. You can stand right inbetween all the ILS/glideslope lighting (not recomended at night when they are on but hey...)
What was of most surprise to me was the fact all that was holding people from getting onto the airfield and indeed runway, so close to this lane was a couple of bushes (some mowed down to provide spotter access/viewing perhaps) and a rotting old wooden fench only 3 foot high! There were no high ten feet high metal reinforced steel fencing/electic fences or barbed wire or anything of that nature.
Surely this cannot be acceptable!
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easyJet and Liverpool Airport clash over security queues again
An investigation is underway after more than 40 passengers missed flights at Liverpool Airport after being delayed getting through security, the Post reports. Some passengers reported taking up to two hours to get through security, according to airline easyJet, which has had a previous spat with the airport over security delays. The budget was forced to delay some planes, and some of its passengers had to be put on the next flight.
A spokesman for the airport said an investigation was under way, but he added security had normal levels of staffing and all equipment was working correctly. He said it appeared the delays started at check-in desks, which are run by handling agents on behalf of airlines.
The spokesman said: ‘We did have some big queues in security because there was a big peak of people coming through at the same time, which caused delays. There appear to have been some bigger problems in the check-in area because passengers were delayed getting up to security.' He said staff had reviewed CCTV footage and it showed some passengers had still not entered security 35 minutes before their flight was due for departure.
A spokeswoman for easyJet told the newspaper: ‘We do not know what the problem was because our check-in desks all closed on time and there was no problem at our end. But we have heard of delays of up to two hours going through security. There were a lot of very annoyed people.’
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easyJet and Liverpool Airport clash over security queues again
An investigation is underway after more than 40 passengers missed flights at Liverpool Airport after being delayed getting through security, the Post reports. Some passengers reported taking up to two hours to get through security, according to airline easyJet, which has had a previous spat with the airport over security delays. The budget was forced to delay some planes, and some of its passengers had to be put on the next flight.
A spokesman for the airport said an investigation was under way, but he added security had normal levels of staffing and all equipment was working correctly. He said it appeared the delays started at check-in desks, which are run by handling agents on behalf of airlines.
The spokesman said: ‘We did have some big queues in security because there was a big peak of people coming through at the same time, which caused delays. There appear to have been some bigger problems in the check-in area because passengers were delayed getting up to security.' He said staff had reviewed CCTV footage and it showed some passengers had still not entered security 35 minutes before their flight was due for departure.
A spokeswoman for easyJet told the newspaper: ‘We do not know what the problem was because our check-in desks all closed on time and there was no problem at our end. But we have heard of delays of up to two hours going through security. There were a lot of very annoyed people.’
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A little old dear that I know flew from Liverpool just before Christmas, she described it as "old fashioned", referring to the lack of air bridges to board aircraft. Other than that I've never heard anything bad about the airport.
A little old dear that I know flew from Liverpool just before Christmas, she described it as "old fashioned", referring to the lack of air bridges to board aircraft. Other than that I've never heard anything bad about the airport.
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Skytrax often features reports from people moaning about LPL. The same applies to BRS, another airport with no air bridges.
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Skytrax often features reports from people moaning about LPL. The same applies to BRS, another airport with no air bridges though there it's more about overcrowding in the departure areas and nowhere to sit.
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John Lennon Airport security concern after 'missed knives claim'
Fear that test IEDS got through airport security
A Mersey MP is demanding answers after claims two improvised explosive devices and two knives were missed in security tests at Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
A whistle-blower at the airport has claimed to the ECHO that security tests – known as ‘coverts’ – were taking place on August 7 when the two IEDs and the blades passed through hand-baggage screening without being discovered.
It meant they would have been able to be taken onto a plane at JLA without further discovery.
Management at the airport today remained tight-lipped about the alleged incidents and would neither confirm or deny they had taken place.
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Fear that test IEDS got through airport security
A Mersey MP is demanding answers after claims two improvised explosive devices and two knives were missed in security tests at Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
A whistle-blower at the airport has claimed to the ECHO that security tests – known as ‘coverts’ – were taking place on August 7 when the two IEDs and the blades passed through hand-baggage screening without being discovered.
It meant they would have been able to be taken onto a plane at JLA without further discovery.
Management at the airport today remained tight-lipped about the alleged incidents and would neither confirm or deny they had taken place.
Read more: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... rn-5717181
just thought I would share this with you all and how things have changed over the past years. Walking out on the apron to board my flight reminded me of way back in the early sixties when I was about nine or ten. Me and my mate Paul (his dad was a pilot for Cambrian Airways) used to cycle over to the Speke Airport about 20 minutes ride from our homes to do some plane spotting on the viewing area on the roof of the terminal building. If we saw an aircraft that took our fancy we would rush downstairs into the arrivals area and wait for the flight crew to arrive. Spotting the captain we would politely ask if we could have a look around the aircraft and more often than not one of stewardesses, as they were called then would end up escorting us to and inside the aircraft. I remember going on a Dakota a Viscount and a visiting RAF Argosy. The musty smell of leather and sweat in the cockpit areas will always remain with me. Hard to believe these days, but how lucky we were.
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That's ridiculous if that happened. IF anybody had taken anything through they shouldn't have they would have left it there and collected it again after rescreening. Talk about a "after the horse has bolted" reaction but no doubt it's the documented course of action so far as the CAA are concerned (Formerly the DfT).
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