Airport Security, Immigration & Border Control

[Sputnik1]

That's interesting as the in-house aviation security team will be the only ones trained properly in doing a sweep of the terminal

Idk what branch of the police/border force does it, but it involves sniffer dogs etc. Certainly more than regular security staff are capable of.

 

[Aviador]

Idk what branch of the police/border force does it, but it involves sniffer dogs etc. Certainly more than regular security staff are capable of.

Not sure about sniffer dogs, or why they would even be required. The regular aviation security will be trained in this field and would be able to recognise anything suspicious.

 

[Sputnik1]

Not sure about sniffer dogs, or why they would even be required. The regular aviation security will be trained in this field and would be able to recognise anything suspicious.

It's just what I was told by Air Ops on the tour

 

[EX9]

It will be done by police Licensed Search Officers. Far more in depth training than airport security training.

 

[Aviador]

It will be done by police Licensed Search Officers. Far more in depth training than airport security training.

You might be surprised then because aviation security are trained. The training for aviation security covers significantly more than your average GSAT that general airport workers have to do. The GSAT barely scratches the surface.

 

[EX9]

You might be surprised then because aviation security are trained. The training for aviation security covers significantly more than your average GSAT that general airport workers have to do. The GSAT barely scratches the surface.

I'm aware everyone with an airport pass completes the GSAT and that Aviation Security Officers are trained to a required standard set out by the Department For Transport. However, the accreditation for police Licensed Search Officers is not comparable as it expands into all environments and a different depth.

https://flic.kr/p/2r8oK14

Someone mentioned the new Gate house/VCP a while back, its now open.

 

[Aviador]

I'm aware everyone with an airport pass completes the GSAT and that Aviation Security Officers are trained to a required standard set out by the Department For Transport. However, the accreditation for police Licensed Search Officers is not comparable as it expands into all environments and a different depth.

https://flic.kr/p/2r8oK14

Someone mentioned the new Gate house/VCP a while back, its now open.

I checked to see if it had changed since I last completed my aviation security training and unless it just hasn't been published yet it remains applicable as part of NASP. It was something we did the last time the terminal was extended. There really isn't anything to it. It isn't rocket science and to suggest the police or other authority can do a better job I find somewhat disrespectful if I'm honest. (to those currently doing the job)

the National Aviation Security Programme (NASP) does cover airport building searches. NASP provides a comprehensive security framework for UK airports, and its requirements, including those related to searches, take precedence over other security elements.

Here's why and how NASP addresses airport building searches:

• Comprehensive Framework:
  NASP is a comprehensive security framework that outlines the standards and requirements for UK airports.
  
  
• Building Searches:
  NASP includes requirements for conducting building and area searches, as part of the overall security measures.
  
  
• Search Procedures:
  NASP guidance specifies when and under what circumstances searches should be conducted, the extent of the searches, and who is responsible for managing and coordinating them, according to the NPSA.
  
  
• Staff Training:
  NASP emphasizes the need for staff to be trained in identifying suspicious items and activities, and in conducting searches effectively.
  
  
• Risk Assessment:
  NASP requires airports to conduct regular risk assessments to identify potential threats and vulnerabilities, which informs the need for building searches.

 

[EX9]

I'm not directing disrespect at anyone. Its not appropriate to go into more detail on an open forum and I'm sure the airport wouldn't divulge the specifics if you asked them either. I simply provided context to the point someone raised about the fact the police are doing it and their training is not the same.
Obviously security will be involved. Playing devils advocate, what lengths will someone go to these days to inflict harm and catastrophe by means of a sophisticated attack?

It doesn't take much imagination to realise the amount of opportunities an individual working on the site would have had to try and hide something in a building of that size and complexity over the period of a year.

 

[Aviador]

I'm not directing disrespect at anyone. Its not appropriate to go into more detail on an open forum and I'm sure the airport wouldn't divulge the specifics if you asked them either. I simply provided context to the point someone raised about the fact the police are doing it and their training is not the same.
Obviously security will be involved. Playing devils advocate, what lengths will someone go to these days to inflict harm and catastrophe by means of a sophisticated attack?

It doesn't take much imagination to realise the amount of opportunities an individual working on the site would have had to try and hide something in a building of that size and complexity over the period of a year.

I concur with the importance of security. It is essential to note that security measures extend beyond the operational launch phase; they require perpetual maintenance. Routine searches will be conducted for the terminal's entire operational life. As you rightly observe, determined individuals pose significant risks, and established airport workers represent a considerably higher insider threat potential than the original construction personnel.

 

[gcoabc1]

I concur with the importance of security. It is essential to note that security measures extend beyond the operational launch phase; they require perpetual maintenance. Routine searches will be conducted for the terminal's entire operational life. As you rightly observe, determined individuals pose significant risks, and established airport workers represent a considerably higher insider threat potential than the original construction personnel.

I agree entirely.
As an ex, albeit short term, member of said Security at the time of the change over of responsibility from Council to new security firm, (the time of Jet 2 launch, new baggage reclaim area) the complacency of established personnel was difficult to stomach and caused much friction with new cohort of Security staff. Sweeps were done regularly and much work on updates of duty responsibilities were front and centre.

 

[arry]

It looks like BHX has been given permission by the Govt to resume the 2l liquid rule through their scanners. Hopefully, LBA will soon be able to follow.

https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/important-updates-customer-advice-on-liquids-when-travelling-out-of-birmingham-airport/

 

[KARFA]

the liquids rule has been relaxed for some places elsewhere in the UK as well over the last few months. obviously this leads to the issue of a temporary inconsistency which isn't helpful, but hopefully at some point during this year everywhere will be back to the original relaxed liquids rules.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

The Telegraph & Argus

Leeds Bradford Airport has launched an investigation after a couple accidentally got through security with a steak knife 🫨⬇️

www.facebook.com

 

[Finger66]

It will have been someone from they who shall not be named or the council as they always have the knives out for LBA

 

[Aviador]

The Telegraph & Argus

Leeds Bradford Airport has launched an investigation after a couple accidentally got through security with a steak knife 🫨⬇️

www.facebook.com

I don't want to comment on this but I will share this openly sourced video which basically tells you all you need to know.

Another freely available video on YouTube. See how many things you can spot. Then imagine doing that at 04:00 in the morning when you had no sleep and for 20 minutes at a time.

 

[KARFA]

they are interesting videos, however LBA is now wholly CT not x-ray - so what the operator sees and does is very different.

 

[Aviador]

they are interesting videos, however LBA is now wholly CT not x-ray - so what the operator sees and does is very different.

The images they display aren't fundamentally different.

 

[KARFA]

The images they display aren't fundamentally different.

they very much are, and CT allows a huge amount of operator manipulation of the image which simply isn't possible with x-ray. in basic terms, x-ray is 2D, and CT is 3D with much better differentiation between materials. CT is also very heavily dependent on software interpretation, whereas x-ray was more about presenting a much more raw and flat image to the operator with some degree of artificial colourisation based on type of material. CT is generations more advanced than x-ray.

let me put it this way, if they were as similar as you are suggesting there would be no need for the lengthy operator training prior to using them, and initial live supervision when transitioning between the two. Even beyond that point, the experience in the UK as they have been introduced is that there is often a period of several months once operational with higher secondary rates until operators get more experienced and it settles back down to more normal levels.

i am not trying to criticise your posting, and as i said they are interesting vidoes. but i am just trying to add some context for others that the operators at LBA would being seeing and doing something quite different with CT.

 

[quik123]

CT scanners are still x-rays, (I think it stands for Computed Topography or similar, Google is your friend!) just that a computer is used to produce a 3d image from the x ray imager. as opposed to the old 2d x-ray image.

 

[Len Fish]

It’s actually tomography-from Greek “tomos“ slice, section. And yes I looked it up!