Runways, Aprons and Taxiways

[lbaspotter]

I understand that the overnight runway closures (Daily 22:30-05:30) start from tomorrow night, November 1st 2017 and will run up until March 31st 2017. Scheduled flights will be accepted but diversions wont be.

 

[oldendays]

Any idea as to why taxi-way alpha is closed?

One or two quite big surface problems. Wonky concrete slabs, holes and so on. That section of taxiway could use a complete rebuild and installation of green centreline lights.

 

[radar]

I understand that the overnight runway closures (Daily 22:30-05:30) start from tomorrow night, November 1st 2017 and will run up until March 31st 2017. Scheduled flights will be accepted but diversions wont be.

Not quite correct. The closure times are now fixed, anything that is running late after the closure time won’t be accommodated.

See here:

http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadb...AC/027-2017/EG_SUP_2017_027_en_2017-09-28.pdf

 

[lbaspotter]

So looking at them new timings the runway closures are as follows between November 2nd and March 24th.

Monday to Thursday 2230 – 0530
Friday 2359 – 0530

Ah well if we do get any bad weather this winter hope it happens either on Saturday or Sunday. Not getting me hopes up though because will the be anywhere to accommodate possible diverts, what with the Jet2 static fleet been about?

 

[twevsmiff]

Channex 271 when taxiing for departure reported a loose block on runway 32, near delta taxiway/ He has said he can wait up to 25 minutes lined up on the runway before needs to return to apron
Jersey 729 has just gone around and is in hold as a repair, which is estimated to take 15 minutes takes place.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Regards any B787 or widebody operator using LBA like ive stated before (ive been told this myself by others) the airport has got to get them touchdown points back esp runway 32, once done other than the weather we sometimes get at LBA it solves alot of probs, costly i know but whats that saying, you have to spend to....! now is the time. saying that whenever ive seen a widebody at LBA, for example when we had the britannia B767 based here the thing always used to takeoff and land much easier than most of the B737s we norm get! bigger plane, bigger engines!

I'm lead to believe the 737-800 is a slippery beast on final approach. It can catch pilots out at any moment. The ground effect makes her slippery along with a high approach speed compared to the relatively slower 757 model. I visited Leeds Tower during my Uni days, and radar controller told us he was going to put 2 737-800's in front of the 75 for the reason I state. Slower on approach but takes longer to slow down.

Whoever designed both the 75 and 76 didn't really know what they've done for aviation. Magnificent beasts.

 

[LBA4EVER]

I'm lead to believe the 737-800 is a slippery beast on final approach. It can catch pilots out at any moment. The ground effect makes her slippery along with a high approach speed compared to the relatively slower 757 model. I visited Leeds Tower during my Uni days, and radar controller told us he was going to put 2 737-800's in front of the 75 for the reason I state. Slower on approach but takes longer to slow down.

Whoever designed both the 75 and 76 didn't really know what they've done for aviation. Magnificent beasts.

reg the 757 and 767 you only have to look at those amazing aircraft to tell they have great performance, there in proportion, good ground height and of course those engines! The 737 800s and max are out of proportion, too long in length for the wing area and ground height which causes high speed approach through less pitch. The original 100,200,300 series are just the right size.

 

[a300boy]

I think it will be the next generation of aircraft models that might be the answer !
Every take off in a commercial aircraft has its performance calculated for an expected engine failure for safety planning if you do not loose one it is good news and it looks as you say pretty easy depending on your weight and the weather.
If one engine does fail after V1 you would see a very different departure climb and return to land if you are at max take off weight but handled correctly it should not be a problem.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Fairly soon im sure we will see the 787,a350 or a330 from one or two operators at LBA, with the above types as long as there not fully loaded our runway is sound.

 

[Aviador]

I am not sure customer experience is that relevant to growth. The Manchester catchment is very much larger than Liverpool which is what really matters. Still, Jet 2 should do well from LPL and evolve like BFS, NCL, or GLA bases have done.

Now aircraft who miss the turn off have to taxi to the end of the runway and taxi back I wonder if aircraft that brake harder than normal to avoid having to do that will cause more wear and tear to the runway surface? Wasn’t the reason for not allowing u-turns any more to lessen runway wear?

I think the problem was caused by aircraft turning on the runway rather than braking after landing. I can't see it making much difference to a concrete ribbed runway whether they brake hard or gently and much of the stopping power is reverse thrust, which has no impact on the runway.

Understand the airport were getting "tyred" of the runway turning leaving marks

I thought the turning restriction haď been removed now Alpha is open again.

No they lifted the turning restriction while Alpha was closed. Once it re-opened, they need to vacate by Alpha or go to the end and around the loop. That's my understanding anyway .

I noticed a Wizz Air using A2 a couple of weeks back. Is the A321 wingspan slightly narrower than the 757 which was banned from using A2 due to the width of Taxiway A between stands 1 and 5?

Answering my own question here but the 757 wingspan is 38.05m and the A321 wingspan is 35.8m. I understand taxiway A between stand 1 and stand 5 is too narrow for the 757 by 1m which explains why the A321 is suitable as it's within the required parameters.

 

[twevsmiff]

Alpha Taxiway is restricted to aircraft with less than 36m wingspan.
A.321 wingspan 34m, 757 wingspan 38m.

 

[Aviador]

Alpha Taxiway is restricted to aircraft with less than 36m wingspan.
A.321 wingspan 34m, 757 wingspan 38m.

The A321 is 35.8 according to sources on Google but still within the 36m you suggest.

The restriction isn't of course the full length of A as the taxiway spans the entire length of the apron from the West to the East where it joins November and Delta.

This is helpful moving forwards as there will likely be more flights operated by Jet2 and Wizz using the A321 making the aircraft more favourable from LBA than it's sister predecessor the 757.

 

[KARFA]

A321 is 35.8m with sharklets, and 34.1m with the older wing fences.

The wingspan restrictions for A are
- west of C, max wingspan of 36m
- between C and D3, max wingspan of 45m
- east of D3, max wingspan of 36m

 

[lbaspotter]

The is no notam publish yet. But here are the airfield operating hours for the winter 2023/24 season.

Closure as follows from Mon 06Nov23 to 30Mar24.
Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri nights 2300-0559z
Sat, Sun nights 2359z-0559z.

 

[EX9]

A question was put to the CEO regarding the timescale for new stands to be built. The forecast given was around late 2024/25 for the first two to be built and only two at a time. There is potential for this to be expedited if required.

 

[twevsmiff]

Just announced that Alpha Taxiway is now completely re-opened - 1430 on 19/02.

 

[Sputnik1]

For anyone not aware, works began today on resurfacing/repairing November taxiway

 

[BCFC]

For anyone not aware, works began today on resurfacing/repairing November taxiway

Is this November taxiway? If it is it was pretty busy.

View attachment 30407

 

[Sputnik1]

Is this November taxiway? If it is it was pretty busy.

View attachment 30407

Certainly is, nice to see quite a lot of activity on it. Runway 32 blast pad repairs due to start next week, too.

 

[CM.]

Looks like November taxiway is open again.