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[Tarn Spotter]

So true ! We need our new man to persuade Jet 2 to do a bit more in the winter.

As a Dart Group shareholder I certainly oppose this view. The Ski business has been a drain on profits for years and the bucket and spade business is well established.
Yes their is a market for one off trips to winter markets, but don't see any routes that can be made to pay. I am a lover of Madrid, but its not a winter venue and must be avoided at all costs in mid summer. The place closes down in July and August due to the heat, its not for nothing that a sixth of the land area of Madrid is parks to shelter in summer from the heat.
I wish Thomas Cook all the luck in returning to Turkey, but the Turkish government taking arms this week against the Kurds in Syria, is likely to make the region a power keg again. Certainly friends who live in Istanbul have advised all family in the u.k. not to visit as they feel too volatile for westerners.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

As a Dart Group shareholder I certainly oppose this view. The Ski business has been a drain on profits for years and the bucket and spade business is well established.
Yes their is a market for one off trips to winter markets, but don't see any routes that can be made to pay. I am a lover of Madrid, but its not a winter venue and must be avoided at all costs in mid summer. The place closes down in July and August due to the heat, its not for nothing that a sixth of the land area of Madrid is parks to shelter in summer from the heat.
I wish Thomas Cook all the luck in returning to Turkey, but the Turkish government taking arms this week against the Kurds in Syria, is likely to make the region a power keg again. Certainly friends who live in Istanbul have advised all family in the u.k. not to visit as they feel too volatile for westerners.

It's no secret that Jet2holidays and Jet2.com are going into Turkey very big this year, less cautious then they've ever been. Does this, as a dart group shareholder, concern you?

 

[a300boy]

With respect being a share holder does not mean you have any input to decision making but no doubt if you bought them at the right time you would be sitting pretty these days.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

It's no secret that Jet2holidays and Jet2.com are going into Turkey very big this year, less cautious then they've ever been. Does this, as a dart group shareholder, concern you?

It concerns me on many levels, the country is very unstable, I have had business links with the country for over 4 decades and have a wide range of friends around the country. Even those who live in the western resort areas are worried about the future, those in the capital who have democratic views are keeping a very low profile.
Frankly as a shareholder I would like to stay out of Turkey, but I feel we have a herd mentality and if our competitors are there, so must we be, as long as its made clear to staff based in the resorts and there happy with the level of hotel security.
I have been a long term share holder and have seen my shares grow 7 fold, I still fully support the management/

 

[a300boy]

Good on you! I regret not following your example and I suspect you have more knowledge of the situation in Tunisia and Egypt than most.

 

[lbaspotter]

The must be doing something right in Turkey as this summer 2018 season is the most flights we've had down there in a long while from Leeds. Jet2 have to go there otherwise they missing out..
It really is kinda of funny that we are discussing Turkish flights on the Ryanair thread, especially seen as they don't even fly to turkey!

I actually think for routes to the likes of Madrid, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Milan would be suited Ryanair's prices and route structure, they would also stand a better chance of been year round served.
Sadly Jet2 are mainly a bucket and spade parade airline/tour operator whom's city routes are more leisurely focused for weekend breaks hence they stop been served for 6 weeks (Berlin, Prague, Budapest, Barcelona) during January and early February every year.

 

[Jerry]

It really is kinda of funny that we are discussing Turkish flights on the Ryanair thread, especially seen as they don't even fly to turkey!

Anyone know why they don't fly to Turkey?

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

It concerns me on many levels, the country is very unstable, I have had business links with the country for over 4 decades and have a wide range of friends around the country. Even those who live in the western resort areas are worried about the future, those in the capital who have democratic views are keeping a very low profile.
Frankly as a shareholder I would like to stay out of Turkey, but I feel we have a herd mentality and if our competitors are there, so must we be, as long as its made clear to staff based in the resorts and there happy with the level of hotel security.
I have been a long term share holder and have seen my shares grow 7 fold, I still fully support the management/

With respect being a share holder does not mean you have any input to decision making but no doubt if you bought them at the right time you would be sitting pretty these days.

A300boy i know that. A share holder is just that; a share holder. That is why they have executives and planning teams to ensure that the resources are allocated in the correct way to maximise revenue and thus profit. Same as any business really. I get it however, as i pointed out in my original quote, Tarn spotter wished all the luck to Thomas Cook going back to Turkey big but identified themselves as a dart group shareholder, Jet2.com are going big as i identified. That is why i asked if he was concerned about Turkey.

Thank you for answering my question Tarn Spotter. I suppose you've got to go where the competition is going and with Monarch no longer in the Market there is a vacant spot that they can make, hopefully, good profit from. Sorry for detracting from the Ryanair thread. Please move these posts elsewhere and return this thread back to Ryanair discussions.

Speaking of Ryanair - after announcing 3 extra based aircraft at MAN do we think that the chances for the LBA base to become a 4 aircraft base are slim now?

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Anyone know why they don't fly to Turkey?

I don't know Jerry. When i did my dissertation on them that is one of the suggestions i put forward. Turkey is massive market not just from the UK and Ireland but Northern Europe and eastern Europe. I can see them in DLM and AYT in the not too distant future.

 

[Jerry]

I don't know Jerry. When i did my dissertation on them that is one of the suggestions i put forward. Turkey is massive market not just from the UK and Ireland but Northern Europe and eastern Europe. I can see them in DLM and AYT in the not too distant future.

Yes i'm really surprised they aren't already operating there already.

 

[lbaspotter]

Could it be something to do with the Irish Republic not having and open skies agreement with Turkey which stops Ryanair flying its (EI) registered aircraft into the Turkish hot-spots eg Dalaman, Antalya & Bodrum?

I know the UK and Turkey has its own open skies policy agreement in place, this allows both Turkish and UK (G-) registered aircraft to fly freely to any point between the 2 counties.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Fair point lbaspotter. Would that not have been arranged with the EU directly though? Turkey-EU?

Maybe with the Monarch demise we will see Ryanair see the gap in the market ... like i say its not a matter of if it's
a matter of when.

 

[Jerry]

I know the UK and Turkey has its own open skies policy agreement in place, this allows both Turkish and UK (G-) registered aircraft to fly freely to any point between the 2 counties.

With Ryanair now applying for a UK AOC then it may be possible in the near future that they may be able to launch routes to Turkey then.

 

[lbaspotter]

This is what it says on the European Commission website regards flights between the EU and Turkey.

Source: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-10-369_en.htm

EU and Turkey initial civil aviation agreement

The European Union and the Turkish authorities have today initialled an aviation agreement which will remove nationality restrictions in the bilateral air services agreements between EU Member States and Turkey. This agreement will allow any EU airline to operate flights between any EU Member State and Turkey, where a bilateral agreement with Turkey exists and traffic rights are available.

This so-called "horizontal'" aviation agreement does not replace the bilateral agreements in place between EU Member States and Turkey, but adapts them to bring them into line with EU law. Currently, there are 42 such horizontal agreements between the EU and 50 countries worldwide. More than 800 bilateral air services agreements have already been modified by the joint efforts of the European Commission and EU Member States to replace nationality rules with the principle of EU airline designation.

The agreement is an important step towards further strengthening EU–Turkey aviation relations and will encourage traffic between the EU and Turkey. Air transport is crucial for relations between the EU and Turkey, linking people, cultures and businesses. Turkey is one of the key aviation partners of the EU. Passenger traffic between the EU and Turkey reached more than 25 million in 2008, making Turkey the third largest external aviation market for the EU in number of passengers, after the United States and Switzerland.

The agreement will open the way for further cooperation between the EU and Turkey in civil aviation including in the areas of aviation safety, security, air traffic management, technology, research and industrial cooperation, consumer and environmental protection, and competition.

Now after checking the UK already had an openskies air services agreement in place with the Turkish before so that policy will have been adapted so it was implemented into EU law back in March 2010 when it was agreed.
But I'm not sure the Turkish had an agreement with the Irish Republic beforehand, So I think they would still need to sort out there own bilateral agreement first so it could also be then adapted and enshrined into EU law?

 

[Bigman]

...unless Ryanair set up a UK subsidiary a la what Norwegian have done. Presumably, they would then be OK to serve Turkey.

 

[lbaspotter]

...unless Ryanair set up a UK subsidiary a la what Norwegian have done. Presumably, they would then be OK to serve Turkey.

Yes that is correct bigman. But Ryanair have initially only asked for 3+ aircraft to be put on its new UK AOC if it's accepted by the CAA so it will be able to contine its 4+ domestic routes. Them been STN-GLA, STN-EDI, STN-BFS along with the newly announcex MAN-BFS service.

Anyone see what Ryanair said regards Briexit and its Summer 2019 schedule yesterday? If not you may find the following an interesting read.

Irish budget airline Ryanair (>> Ryanair Holdings plc) will put a "Brexit clause" into ticket sales for summer 2019, warning customers that their tickets will not be valid if the issue of aviation regulation after Britain's departure from the EU remains unresolved.

Flying rights to, from and within the European Union, as well as between the United States and Britain, are currently covered by EU-wide "Open Skies" agreements, but this arrangement is jeopardised by Brexit.

There is no fallback option for aviation if Britain leaves the EU without a deal, and Ryanair's chief marketing officer said on Wednesday that airlines had no clarity how aviation will be regulated after Britain's scheduled departure at the end of March 2019.

"We'll announce our (2019) summer schedule soon enough... and there'll be a term and condition that this is subject to the regulatory environment allowing this flight to take place," Kenny Jacobs told reporters, adding that the tickets would go on sale in September.

Customers will be refunded if the clause is exercised.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Good on you! I regret not following your example and I suspect you have more knowledge of the situation in Tunisia and Egypt than most.

Anyone listening to the debate on Monday in the House of Lords in respect of LGBT visitors to Turkey and the regimes Human abuses would surely have reservations. When people raising are u.k. subjects
When you add in the fact that agencies have voted Turkey this week to now be the most authoritarian government over the last year, with a lack of personal freedom etc., the country is basically in lock down.

 

[paully]

Anyone listening to the debate on Monday in the House of Lords in respect of LGBT visitors to Turkey and the regimes Human abuses would surely have reservations. When people raising are u.k. subjects
When you add in the fact that agencies have voted Turkey this week to now be the most authoritarian government over the last year, with a lack of personal freedom etc., the country is basically in lock down.

You might worry about these things but the majority of the package tourists are more interested in going A..where its cheap B..a guaranteed supply of hot sun C..an equally guaranteed supply of Efes and strong liquor. As long as these primordial needs are met well job done.....Jet2 merely saw the demand and supplied it.Equally job done. I`m sure others will worry about the geopolitical situation but I`m damn sure your average tourist won`t and neither will one Recip Tyip Erdogan who needs hard currency and knows how to get it flowing. Thats how it works

 

[Silvercity]

This airline often gets bad press, I have just wrote a review of a recent flight, and the experience was very good. I have to say the passengers were well behaved too, and this makes a massive difference.

 

[SNOWMAN]

This airline often gets bad press, I have just wrote a review of a recent flight, and the experience was very good. I have to say the passengers were well behaved too, and this makes a massive difference.

hi carl
are you going to post the review on here??
regards
snowman