Ryanair

[LBA4EVER]

And an Emirates twice daily A380 service to Dubai.

nowt special then lol in our dreams!

 

[lbaspotter]

Right I'm putting me moderator hat on now.

Please let's get this thread back on topic as its got nothing to with Ryanair @ LBA anymore..

 

[Finger66]

Back on topic. Yes we have lost the 3rd based Ryanair this winter but not the base. If they were that unhappy with LBA they could easily go altogether which they haven't. So whilst yes we are all entitled to our opinions if we don't have a new or different opinion to share then there is no point in posting. Consolidation is the key to help get this industry back on track. Over capacity and cheap fares, whilst great for passengers, are not good for a sustainable business model. I for one am very happy with where LBA is right now. Of course, like the rest of you I want more, but we have to accept there are limitations with what can be done with where the airport is, so there is no need to go bleating on about the failings over and over again. And let's see, if the 3rd based aircraft returns next summer, then we will be having a totally different discussion one presumes..........

 

[LBA4EVER]

Those routes Ryanair are cutting from LBA, well are they cutting them routes from any other uk airports out of interest? It does make sense with their biz plan as I believe the canary bases and faro are closing? the odd one out is Vilnius. I bet next year if the max8 issues are sorted we get a 3rd based aircraft back and possibly a 4th based aircraft but then that would depend on Brexit and economy..views on this?

 

[jason1-11]

LBA has had 3x based aircraft summer and winter since (at least) 2016. This is the first time since then that the base has dropped to 2x based aircraft.
Regarding other UK bases, the number of based aircraft (required to fly the schedule) are as follows for this coming winter season:

STN - too many to count
MAN - 11x based (+3 vs W18/19)
EDI - 7x based (same as W18/19)
LTN - 6x based (same as W18/19)
EMA - 4x based (same as W18/19)
BRS - 4x based (same as W18/19)
LPL - 3x based (same as W18/19)
BHX - 3x based (same as W18/19)
SEN - 2x based (NEW BASE)
LBA - 2x based (-1 vs W18/19)
BOH - 1x based (same as W18/19)
PIK - 1x based (same as W18/19)
BFS - BASE CLOSED (-2 vs W18/19)

Apart from the BFS base which closes this winter, LBA is the only UK base that sees a decrease in the number of based aircraft vs last year.

Checked with STN Ops and Ryanair currently have 40 based units there.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

You are like a stuck record fight2win. Every time anything negative crops up, you come up with the same argument. You have no idea why Ryanair opted to reduce the LBA base yet you speak as if you do. Don't just guess and claim it as fact.

We do have some idea from last years AGM where Ryanair is heading.
MOL advised far to many seats on too many routes in Europe, even though carriers closing such as Monarch, around 6 airlines must fold to reduce capicity, seat numbers far greater then the number of passengers there to fill. Ryanair needed to reduce seat numbers by at least 5 million per year, meaning a reduction of 10% and would result in a similar number of base closures. Earning per seat were not been covered by revenue, every seat sold at a loss, only additional revenue, seat allocation etc saving the day.
The last year had seen wages grow as the unions imposed there power on the company and fuel prices rose, MOL hoped Thomas Cook and Flybe would close to help the situation, both have not happened and his failure to buy Air berlin has been a financial nightmare in Germany, losing £150M alone in the last 12 months.
Since the AGM we have seen the worst quarters results in the companies history as losses increase and Union deals chip away at profits, the Max grounding has not effected the fleet as steps in place to extend the lease period on existing aircraft, but allowing the planes that would have taken the 5 million passengers to be removed from the fleet, if the Max had arrived it would have added to problems.
Times are hard, last week Norwegian borrowed against the value of their Gatwick landing slots, we know from the past what a slippery slope this can be.
LBA has done well, the industry has a currant problem, with too many European airlines, too many seats available, too many routes, too many bases, seats being sold at a loss chasing a stagnant or reducing customer base, the airline industry needs to wake up and smell the coffee of reality. Until the industry gets to grip with the situation all bases will suffer, not just Leeds.
Until we reduce the overall capacity to places such as Faro, the industry cant move forward., at last weeks AGM the dart group advised pressure of costs were a drag going forward and Ryanairs AGM on the 19th, I am sure we will hear more route, bases and staff cuts.

 

[White Heather]

Those routes Ryanair are cutting from LBA, well are they cutting them routes from any other uk airports out of interest? It does make sense with their biz plan as I believe the canary bases and faro are closing? the odd one out is Vilnius. I bet next year if the max8 issues are sorted we get a 3rd based aircraft back and possibly a 4th based aircraft but then that would depend on Brexit and economy..views on this?

As per my post from last Friday, copied below. Having closed the Glasgow base last year in favour of just Edinburgh and Prestwick, Ryanair have now dropped the axe on many of the Prestwick routes too, with some of the same routes we are losing also disappearing. They are down to just 11 flights per week over the winter.


Just as a point of interest - Prestwick has had its Ryanair winter operations cut to just 11 flights per week by Ryanair (for the same stated reasons) and has lost 3 routes (they didn't have as many as LBA in the first place). Down to just 1 flight per week to Tenerife too. It is stated to be the lowest ever at Prestwick and this follows the previous closure of the Glasgow base in favour of Prestwick. For many in Western Scotland it leaves them with the trek to Edinburgh or down to England.

 

[a300boy]

Join the many travelling over the hill !
Maybe we will see more losses of flights from Lba as Manchester becomes even more dominant and cheaper to fly from.
Time will tell and the customer is always right!

 

[lbaspotter]

I looks like Ryanair has a had a change of mind. As it's keeping its Faro base open now. But is still dropping from 3x based aircraft to 2x and changing the based crews contracts to seasonal.

Ryanair strikes deal with ANA to keep Faro base open - Portugal Resident

Ryanair strikes deal with ANA to keep Faro base open. The closure of the base was announced in August and saw tourism authorities in the region scrambling

www.portugalresident.com

Hopefully this might see the Leeds to Faro route being reinstated.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

I got the impression at the AGM that Faro will become a summer season base, with only a holding operation in winter, more talk about employee contracts then winter flying.
The race to the bottom on prices has passed the painful threshold, my worry unless the whole industry shows some common sense, prices will rocket, as most airlines will fold, great for shareholders of the survivors, disastrous for the travelling public.
Lots of shaking of heads with Eurowings 2020 route network, how do you marry with Lufthanasa finanacial position, we only know Ryanair losses in Germany, we can only guess the cost to Lufthansa, Wizz and Easyjet, surely only two can survive, unless state aid playing a part, as a Remainer, MOL rant at the E.U. made me a leaver smile, this love affair may be coming to a ugly divorce, as many of us warned MOL at the 2016 AGM, riding this horse may in the end, finding he has to dismount, as not in the interest of the company.

 

[lbaspotter]

BAD NEWS: Big changes are a foot again for Ryanair, as there Leeds/Bradford Summer 2020 schedule has just been released for sale and here’s how it looks.
The recent move by Ryanair to reduced the LBA based aircraft from 3 to 2 looks to be a permanent move. It's definitely damage limitations for LBA management, and taking a wild guess it could have been a lot worse if we didn't have as many aircraft coming in from the other bases. This will have a big effect on LBA's monthly rolling passengers numbers over the next 12 months for sure, that's unless Jet2 step in and add some more additional capacity for summer 2020 seen as they cover all the axed Ryanair routes from LBA.

The Headlines

• The LBA base reduced form 3x aircraft in summer 2019 down to 2x for summer 2020.
• +22 weekly rotations have being axed meaning LBA has a reduced schedule from +86 weekly rotations during summer 2019 down to just +64 weekly rotations in summer 2020.
• 6 routes look to have being axed, those include Chania-Crete, Girona, Fuerteventura, Las Palmas, Arrecife & Murcia Corvera thus meaning Ryanair will only serve 18+ routes from LBA during the summer 2020 season.

Limoges = Remains 2x weekly (Thu & Sun)
Crete - Chania = Route Dropped - Was 2x weekly
Corfu = Remains 1x weekly (Wed)
Dublin = Remains 14x weekly (2x daily Mon-Sun)
Pisa = Remains 2x weekly (Mon & Fri)
Riga = Remains 2x weekly (Wed & Sun)
Vilnius = Remains 2x weekly (Mon & Fri)
Malta = Remains 2x weekly (Mon & Fri)
Gdansk = Remains 4x weekly (Mon, Wed, Thu & Sun)
Krakow = Reduced from 4x to 3x weekly (Tue, Sat & Sun)
Warsaw Modlin = Remains 2x weekly (Thu & Sun)
Wroclaw = Remains 2x weekly (Wed & Sun)
Faro = Remains 6x weekly (Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri & Sun)
Bratislava = Remains 2x weekly (Mon & Fri)
Alicante = Reduced 7x weekly to 5x weekly (Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri & Sat)
Girona - Barcelona = Route Dropped - Was 2x weekly
Fuerteventura = Route Dropped - Was 2x weekly
Las Palmas = Route Dropped - Was 2x weekly
Ibiza = Remains 2x weekly (Thu & Sun)
Arrecife = Route Dropped - Was 3x weekly
Malaga = Reduced from 8x to 6x weekly (Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri & Sat)
Murcia – Corvera = Route Dropped - Was 2x weekly
Palma – Remains 7x weekly (1x daily Mon-Sun)
Tenerife = Reduced from 3x to 1x weekly (Mon)


Mondays = +12
LBA Based Aircraft 1
FR2492 = LBA 06:25 – TFS 11:00 / FR2493 = TFS 11:35 – LBA 16:00
FR9079 = LBA 17:25 – ALC 21:10 / FR9078 = ALC 21:45 – LBA 23:30
LBA Based Aircraft 2
FR0153 = LBA 06:35 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR2326 = LBA 09:30 – PMI 13:10 / FR2327 = PMI 13:45 – LBA 15:35
FR5041 = LBA 16:55 – BTS 20:20 / FR5042 = BTS 20:45 – LBA 22:10
Non Based Aircraft
FR2449 = MLA 06:45 – LBA 09:20 / FR2448 = LBA 09:45 – MLA 14:10 (Operated by Malta Air)
FR5044 = VNO 07:15 – LBA 08:00 / FR5043 = LBA 08:25 – VNO 13:10
FR2504 = FAO 08:05 – LBA 11:00 / FR2503 = LBA 11:25 – FAO 14:25
FR1504 = GDN 09:45 – LBA 11:05 / FR1503 = LBA 11:30 – GDN 14:40 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)
FR2446 = AGP 15:20 – LBA 17:20 / FR2446 = LBA 17:45 – AGP 21:45
FR0156 = DUB 16:05 – LBA 17:10 / FR0157 = LBA 17:35 – DUB 18:35
FR2502 = PSA 17:00 – LBA 18:30 / FR2501 = LBA 18:55 – PSA 22:25

Tuesdays = +7
LBA Based Aircraft 1
FR0153 = LBA 06:35 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR2326 = LBA 09:30 – PMI 13:10 / FR2327 = PMI 13:45 – LBA 15:35
FR9079 = LBA 17:25 – ALC 21:10 / FR9078 = ALC 21:45 – LBA 23:30
LBA Based Aircraft 2
FR2781 = LBA 06:40 – AGP 10:40 / FR2480 = AGP 11:15 – LBA 13:15
FR2503 = LBA 16:55 – FAO 19:55 / FR2504 = FAO 20:20 – LBA 23:15
Non Based Aircraft
FR2333 = KRK 06:55 – LBA 08:30 / FR2332 = LBA 08:55 – KRK 12:25 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)
FR0156 = DUB 16:05 – LBA 17:10 / FR0157 = LBA 17:35 – DUB 18:35

Wednesdays = +10
LBA Based Aircraft 1
FR0153 = LBA 06:35 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR2326 = LBA 09:30 – PMI 13:10 / FR2327 = PMI 13:45 – LBA 15:35
FR2446 = LBA 17:00 – AGP 21:00 / FR2447 = AGP 21:35 – LBA 23:35
LBA Based Aircraft 2
FR2496 = LBA 07:45 – CFU 13:05 / FR2497 = CFU 13:30 – LBA 15:05
FR2482 = LBA 16:10 – RIX 20:50 / FR2483 = RIX 21:15 – LBA 22:00
Non Based Aircraft
FR9078 = ALC 06:55 – LBA 08:40 / FR9079 = LBA 09:05 – ALC 12:50
FR1504 = GDN 07:35 – LBA 08:55 / FR1503 = LBA 09:20 – GDN 12:20 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)
FR4108 = WRO 07:50 – LBA 09:05 / FR4107 = LBA 09:30 – WRO 12:45 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)
FR0156 = DUB 16:05 – LBA 17:10 / FR0157 = LBA 17:35 – DUB 18:35
FR2504 = FAO 16:30 – LBA 19:25 / FR2503 = LBA 19:50 – FAO 22:50

Thursdays = +9
LBA Based Aircraft 1
FR2328 = LBA 06:20 – LIG 09:15 / FR2329 = LIG 09:40 – LBA 10:30
FR2486 = LBA 13:35 – IBZ 17:25 / FR2487 = IBZ 21:55 – LBA 23:40 (W-legs to Marseille)
LBA Based Aircraft 2
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:30 / FR0152 = DUB 07:55 – LBA 09:00
FR2326 = LBA 09:30 – PMI 13:10 / FR2327 = PMI 13:45 – LBA 15:35
FR2446 = LBA 16:25 – AGP 20:25 / FR2447 = AGP 21:00 – LBA 23:00
Non Based Aircraft
FR2204 = WMI 06:55 – LBA 08:20 / FR2203 = LBA 08:45 – WMI 12:10 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)
FR0156 = DUB 16:05 – LBA 17:10 / FR0157 = LBA 17:35 – DUB 18:35
FR2504 = FAO 16:30 – LBA 19:25 / FR2503 = LBA 19:50 – FAO 22:50
FR1504 = GDN 17:50 – LBA 19:10 / FR1503 = LBA 19:35 – GDN 22:45 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)

Fridays = +10
LBA Based Aircraft 1
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:30 / FR0152 = DUB 07:55 – LBA 09:00
FR2326 = LBA 09:30 – PMI 13:10 / FR2327 = PMI 13:45 – LBA 15:35
FR2446 = LBA 16:50 – AGP 20:50 / FR2447 = AGP 21:25 – LBA 23:25
LBA Based Aircraft 2
FR5043 = LBA 06:35 – VNO 11:20 /FR5044 = VNO 11:45 – LBA 12:30
FR5041 = LBA 16:30 – BTS 19:55 / FR5042 = BTS 20:20 – LBA 21:45
Non Based Aircraft
FR2502 = PSA 13:10 – LBA 14:40 / FR2501 = LBA 15:05 – PSA 18:35
FR2449 = MLA 14:15 – LBA 16:50 / FR2448 = LBA 17:15 – MLA 21:40 (Operated by Malta Air)
FR2504 = FAO 15:00 – LBA 17:55 / FR2503 = LBA 18:20 – FAO 21:20
FR0156 = DUB 16:05 – LBA 17:10 / FR0157 = LBA 17:35 – DUB 18:35
FR9078 = ALC 16:15 – LBA 18:00 / FR9079 = LBA 18:25 – ALC 22:10

Saturdays = +6
LBA Based Aircraft 1
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:30 / FR0152 = DUB 07:55 – LBA 09:00
FR2326 = LBA 09:30 – PMI 13:10 / FR2327 = PMI 13:45 – LBA 15:35
FR2332 = LBA 16:35 – KRK 20:05 / FR2333 = KRK 20:30 – LBA 22:05
LBA Based Aircraft 2
FR2446 = LBA 06:05 – AGP 10:05 / FR2447 = AGP 10:40 – LBA 12:40
FR9079 = LBA 13:35 – ALC 17:20 / FR9078 = ALC 17:55 – LBA 19:40
FR0157 = LBA 20:05 – DUB 21:05 / FR0156 = DUB 21:30 – LBA 22:35

Sundays = +10
LBA Based Aircraft 1
FR0153 = LBA 06:35 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR2326 = LBA 09:30 – PMI 13:10 / FR2327 = PMI 13:45 – LBA 15:35
FR2328 = LBA 16:25 – LIG 19:20 / FR2329 = LIG 19:45 – LBA 20:35
LBA Based Aircraft 2
FR2482 = LBA 06:40 – RIX 11:20 / FR2483 = RIX 11:45 – LBA 12:30
FR2486 = LBA 14:15 – IBZ 18:05 / FR2487 = IBZ 18:40 – LBA 20:25
FR0157 = LBA 21:00 – DUB 22:00 / FR0156 = DUB 22:25 – LBA 23:30
Non Based Aircraft
FR4108 = WRO 06:00 – LBA 07:15 / FR4107 = LBA 07:40 – WRO 10:55 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)
FR2204 = WMI 06:15 – LBA 07:40 / FR2203 = LBA 08:05 – WMI 11:30 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)
FR2504 = FAO 16:30 – LBA 19:25 / FR2503 = LBA 19:50 – FAO 22:50
FR2333 = KRK 18:25 – LBA 20:00 / FR2332 = LBA 20:25 – KRK 23:55 (Operated by Ryanair Sun/Buzz Air)

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

They are practically handing the market over to Jet2. On some routes.

Common knowledge that Jet2 are not removing the 3 757 as previously advised after last weeks events, I can imagine now that the 757’s will be staying put. Quite possibly increased maybe; if Jet2 lease 4 A330’s for MAN.

 

[Bigman]

They may as well just rename the place Jet2 International Airport the way things are going. Dark and difficult times lie ahead.

 

[Len Fish]

Seeing as though we all thought the Summer timetable would see reinstatement of some previously cut or reduced routes, does all this suggest that Ryanair are in deeper trouble than we all thought?

 

[KARFA]

As posted on here a couple of weeks ago Ryanair cancelled our family flight from LBA to FAO for the New Year holiday week, 4 adults and 2 grandchildren....pressed the refund button on the app and the full amount was back in my bank account 3 days later so absolutely no complaints there.
Today I have done a new booking comparing Ryanair from MAN and JET2 from LBA.....Exact dates but with Ryanair, we have PB which means we get an extra bag each to carry on...Ryanair price £1767.88 and Jet2 with their friendly low fares £2482.00. Ryanair flight times are perfect, depart MAN at 14:00 and return from FAO at 12:30 which is important to me travelling with a 5-year-old.

Didn't FR offer you any rebooking option as they are obliged to do?

 

[paully]

Seeing as though we all thought the Summer timetable would see reinstatement of some previously cut or reduced routes, does all this suggest that Ryanair are in deeper trouble than we all thought?

I think not, they are quite a cash rich outfit. I suspect this has a lot more to do with the `Dark Knight` and his rather large bonus, which the shareholders baulked at. It needs the share price to start going up again. In order to do that he needs to cut/slash/burn costs and expenses.He is on record as saying that `People` are not a companies best asset,they are its most costly asset. Make, therefore, what you will of that.

 

[LBA4EVER]

I will say it again,just get the bloody terminal built and the runway sorted,it will be lucky if my parents use LBA again after their experience through it last week! I was amazed they even mentioned using mancs next time!

 

[Jerry]

I will say it again,just get the bloody terminal built and the runway sorted,it will be lucky if my parents use LBA again after their experience through it last week! I was amazed they even mentioned using mancs next time!

You could have the longest runway in the world and the biggest and fanciest terminal but if the airlines don't want to operate the flights then there isn't a lot an airport can do!

 

[LBA4EVER]

You could have the longest runway in the world and the biggest and fanciest terminal but if the airlines don't want to operate the flights then there isn't a lot an airport can do!

There is currently too much risk in a number of areas at LBA to operate full services esp in hard times like present. I have a number of reliable sources that tell me this constantly. This shows when you compare LBA to the west York's area and population, sort the runway and terminal and we would be on our way!

 

[White Heather]

There is currently too much risk in a number of areas at LBA to operate full services esp in hard times like present. I have a number of reliable sources that tell me this constantly. This shows when you compare LBA to the west York's area and population, sort the runway and terminal and we would be on our way!

So clearly the current owners of LBA, and those before, and those before that, don't agree with you regarding the runway. What, exactly are you proposing they do with it? Extending at the Horsforth end isn't going to happen due to the topography - a long drop off the end of the runway that would require millions of tons of infill, not to mention the relocation of the (brand new) runway approach lighting, which would end up directly in peoples houses and gardens - so the houses would require demolition. Not going to happen.

Extending at the Yeadon end has a similar problem with topography - another significant drop in the land, very expensive and that isn't even taking into account the fact that Yeadon Cemetery would need to be dug up and all the remains re-located. On top of that, landing on runway 14 would be no different to how it is now. Aircraft already have to fly a 3.5 degree glideslope to land where they currently do whilst clearing the Chevin by the required height, so an extension won't change anything for runway 14 landings. The available landing distancw would be the same as it is now and they would over-fly nearly half the concrete before landing. The only real advantage is on runway 32 and 14 take offs. Again though, the cost, and undoubted uproar arising from such a proposal means it won't happen. Like you, I wish it would, but you going on about it at every opportunity on here isn't going to change facts.

Even moving the touch down point on 32 back to where it used to be won't happen any time soon because it will also mean changing the entire ILS system, and the entire (recently installed) runway lighting system too and the brand new approach lights, and on top of that, the CAA have issues with it and I have little doubt that so will a lot of the councillors at the Horsforth end, given it would mean aircraft landing on 32 would be a good deal lower than they currently are. Again, I wish they would (or could) do it, but I am reliably told, but at least 3 different Senior ATC's at LBA, that it cannot happen with current technology.