Birmingham Airport - General Thread

[Kevin Farnell]

Birmingham is big enough and ugly enough to be our very own. No need to include us as ---- Midlands. If places like Walsall and Wolves want to be associated with a meaningless name thats upto them. I want no part in it.

West Midlands to me is the name of our region, not the county. The West Midlands used in its correct meaning is the area that stretches from Herefordshire/Worcestershire in the south to Staffordshire in the north, so why for goodness sake does our city region/county use the same name ??

Even wikipedia has problems trying to explain the two, they are 2 different things.

Welcome to my world, welcome to Greater Birmingham.

Believe me, Brum X the people of Walsall and Wolverhampton don't like the identity of the West Midlands any more than you do. However, they would find living under the area known as Greater Birmingham even more distasteful. That's not a slight on Birmingham, it's just that they are proud of their own identity and don't want to disappear into a city that they are not part of. Neither have ever had a Birmingham post code or telephone area code.
Like it or not, 'West Midlands' is the official name of the county. Walsall and Wolverhampton would prefer to again be part of Staffordshire.

Regards

Kevin

 

[Brum X]

Believe me, Brum X the people of Walsall and Wolverhampton don't like the identity of the West Midlands any more than you do. However, they would find living under the area known as Greater Birmingham even more distasteful. That's not a slight on Birmingham, it's just that they are proud of their own identity and don't want to disappear into a city that they are not part of. Neither have ever had a Birmingham post code or telephone area code.
Like it or not, 'West Midlands' is the official name of the county. Walsall and Wolverhampton would prefer to again be part of Staffordshire.

Regards

Kevin

Hi Kevin

People in Bolton or Wigan or Stockport who are equally proud of their own identity also dont want to disappear into a city that they are not part of, however the arrangement they have up north works wonders.

And i dont really think this has anything to do with the B Postcode or being an 0121er, as both Tamworth and Redditch have B postcodes and are definately not part of Birmingham. This is about marketing our city region to the world and using the largest city name to stop confusion, thats all it is IMO.

To me this is about investment in our region, nothing else and the sooner this is changed the better.

Cheers

 

[Just Birmingham]

Do we know the CAA figures for May yet.

I assume they will be poor.

 

[Scottie Dog]

Do we know the CAA figures for May yet.

I assume they will be poor.

I'm afraid you're being optimistic if you think May's figures will be released soon my the CAA. They still haven't published April's stats!!

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I'm afraid you're being optimistic if you think Kay's figures will be released soon my the CAA. They still haven't published April's stats!!

It's ridiculous. After the first year of the dreadful revamped CAA system a couple of years ago things seemed to be gradually improving in terms of producing stats reasonably on time, but still not as quickly as used to be the case with the 'old system'. Now they have regressed to the performance I'd hoped they'd left behind. I'd even hoped they might be working back towards their output of yesteryear (ie publishing monthly airport stats around the middle of the following month such as April's in mid May).

 

[Coathanger16]

What exactly is it that takes so long in publishing the data? I appreciate there is a lot of data to go through and format correctly, but if as you say they used to publish the monthly data in the middle of the next month, why is that no longer the case? Less manpower available? Not as much of a priority?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

What exactly is it that takes so long in publishing the data? I appreciate there is a lot of data to go through and format correctly, but if as you say they used to publish the monthly data in the middle of the next month, why is that no longer the case? Less manpower available? Not as much of a priority?

The dilitoriness coincided with a revamp of the CAA website two or three years ago. It's a statutory corporation but its costs come from its charges to the organisations it regulates. In theory then it should not be subject to the sort of cost cutting we've seen in such public bodies as local authorities, NHS, police forces and others. Whether that is the case in practice I don't know. It may be also that providing the stats is not regarded as a priority, as you suggest.

 

[58terminus]

BHX used to announce their passenger figures within a few days of the end of the month whether it had been a good or bad month so the figures are there. However at the moment i doubt they could manage that even if it was a record breaker.
The news section on their website was leading with a story about their plans for airport safety week,or something like that, for 3 weeks after it had finished.

 

[Sam1988]

Hi,

would just like to take the opportunity to say how happy I am to of been part of this great page, but unfortunately you wont get no more airside shots from BHX from me I have been lucky enough to land a great new job down at London Heathrow starting in July

hope you can carry this great page on

 

[Jerry]

Hi,

would just like to take the opportunity to say how happy I am to of been part of this great page, but unfortunately you wont get no more airside shots from BHX from me I have been lucky enough to land a great new job down at London Heathrow starting in July

hope you can carry this great page on

Good luck with your new job! And you can always post photos from Heathrow as well!

 

[IanFarquharson]

BHX used to announce their passenger figures within a few days of the end of the month whether it had been a good or bad month so the figures are there. However at the moment i doubt they could manage that even if it was a record breaker.
The news section on their website was leading with a story about their plans for airport safety week,or something like that, for 3 weeks after it had finished.

I estimate April at 9% down
and May about 6% down
Would expect June-Septemeber to be around 6% too

 

[Brum X]

Good luck with your new job! And you can always post photos from Heathrow as well!

Thats exactly what i was thinking Jez.

No matter if its BHX or not Sam, i loves Planes more than BHX in particular.

Congratulations Sam, i look forward to seeing you on the TV Programme "Heathrow, Britains busiest airport" in 2019.

 

[smithy108]

April CAA figures published today - BHX missing , shown as not yet available for reporting as at 14 June 2018. It does say that next update is 18th June ( today !) so lets see if we get included

 

[IanFarquharson]

BHX has now had 100 different B787's, apart from LHR has any other airport (MAN or LGW) had as many ?

Boeing 787-8

38320

58

Qatar Airways

A7-BCC

Boeing 787-8

38321

82

Qatar Airways

A7-BCD

Boeing 787-8

38322

99

Qatar Airways

A7-BCE

Boeing 787-8

38323

103

Qatar Airways

A7-BCF

Boeing 787-8

38324

109

Qatar Airways

A7-BCG

Boeing 787-8

38325

116

Qatar Airways

A7-BCH

Boeing 787-8

38326

129

Qatar Airways

A7-BCI

Boeing 787-8

38327

138

Qatar Airways

A7-BCJ

Boeing 787-8

38328

144

Qatar Airways

A7-BCK

Boeing 787-8

38329

62

Qatar Airways

A7-BCL

Boeing 787-8

38330

64

Qatar Airways

A7-BCM

Boeing 787-8

38331

150

Qatar Airways

A7-BCN

Boeing 787-8

38332

176

Qatar Airways

A7-BCO

Boeing 787-8

38333

188

Qatar Airways

A7-BCP

Boeing 787-8

38334

204

Qatar Airways

A7-BCQ

Boeing 787-8

38335

215

Qatar Airways

A7-BCR

Boeing 787-8

38336

225

Qatar Airways

A7-BCS

Boeing 787-8

38337

261

Qatar Airways

A7-BCT

Boeing 787-8

38338

266

Qatar Airways

A7-BCU

Boeing 787-8

38339

277

Qatar Airways

A7-BCV

Boeing 787-8

38340

292

Qatar Airways

A7-BCW

Boeing 787-8

38341

328

Qatar Airways

A7-BCX

Boeing 787-8

38342

352

Qatar Airways

A7-BCY

Boeing 787-8

38343

354

Qatar Airways

A7-BCZ

Boeing 787-8

38344

384

Qatar Airways

A7-BDA

Boeing 787-8

38345

394

Qatar Airways

A7-BDB

Boeing 787-8

38346

410

Qatar Airways

A7-BDC

Boeing 787-8

38347

420

Qatar Airways

A7-BDD

Boeing 787-8

38348

440

Hainan Airlines

B-2723

Boeing 787-8

34944

81

Air Austral

F-OLRC

Boeing 787-8

34510

22

Norwegian Air UK

G-CJGI

Boeing 787-9

38756

538

Norwegian Air UK

G-CKNA

Boeing 787-9

38784

593

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIA

Boeing 787-8

34422

92

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIB

Boeing 787-8

34423

94

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIC

Boeing 787-8

34424

96

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUID

Boeing 787-8

36424

106

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIE

Boeing 787-8

37227

191

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIF

Boeing 787-8

36428

198

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIG

Boeing 787-8

36426

260

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIH

Boeing 787-8

37229

291

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUII

Boeing 787-8

37230

300

TUI Airways

G-TUIK

Boeing 787-9

44579

564

TUI Airways

G-TUIL

Boeing 787-9

64053

676

Virgin Atlantic

G-VAHH

Boeing 787-9

37967

246

Virgin Atlantic

G-VNEW

Boeing 787-9

40956

218

Virgin Atlantic

G-VOOH

Boeing 787-9

37968

256

Virgin Atlantic

G-VZIG

Boeing 787-9

37969

267

British Airways

G-ZBJD

Boeing 787-8

38619

121

British Airways

G-ZBJG

Boeing 787-8

38614

187

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAA

Boeing 787-8

37983

194

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAB

Boeing 787-8

35319

214

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAC

Boeing 787-8

37164

219

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAE

Boeing 787-8

37166

221

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAF

Boeing 787-8

36112

233

Norwegian

LN-LNA (EI-LNA)

Boeing 787-8

35304

102

Norwegian

LN-LNB (EI-LNB)

Boeing 787-8

35305

112

Norwegian

LN-LNC

Boeing 787-8

34795

136

Norwegian

LN-LND (EI-LND)

Boeing 787-8

35310

153

Norwegian

LN-LNE (EI-LNE)

Boeing 787-8

34796

165

Norwegian

LN-LNF

Boeing 787-8

35313

178

Norwegian

LN-LNG

Boeing 787-8

35314

183

Norwegian

LN-LNH (EI-LNH)

Boeing 787-8

36526

279

Norwegian

LN-LNI

Boeing 787-9

37307

400

Norwegian

LN-LNK

Boeing 787-9

62082

450

Norwegian

LN-LNL

Boeing 787-9

37931

488

Norwegian

LN-LNN

Boeing 787-9

38891

556

TUI Airlines Nederland

PH-TFL

Boeing 787-8

37228

245

LOT Polish Airlines

SP-LRE

Boeing 787-8

35939

88

Air India

VT-ANA

Boeing 787-8

36273

25

Air India

VT-ANB

Boeing 787-8

36279

26

Air India

VT-ANC

Boeing 787-8

36274

28

Air India

VT-AND

Boeing 787-8

36278

29

Air India

VT-ANE

Boeing 787-8

36280

30

Air India

VT-ANG

Boeing 787-8

36275

32

Air India

VT-ANH

Boeing 787-8

36276

35

Air India

VT-ANI

Boeing 787-8

36277

46

Air India

VT-ANJ

Boeing 787-8

36281

54

Air India

VT-ANK

Boeing 787-8

36282

60

Air India

VT-ANL

Boeing 787-8

36283

65

Air India

VT-ANM

Boeing 787-8

36284

72

Air India

VT-ANN

Boeing 787-8

36285

90

Air India

VT-ANO

Boeing 787-8

36286

91

Air India

VT-ANP

Boeing 787-8

36287

158

Air India

VT-ANQ

Boeing 787-8

36288

180

Air India

VT-ANR

Boeing 787-8

36289

208

Air India

VT-ANS

Boeing 787-8

36290

232

Air India

VT-ANT

Boeing 787-8

36291

250

Air India

VT-ANU

Boeing 787-8

36292

273

Air India

VT-ANV

Boeing 787-8

36293

311

Air India

VT-ANW

Boeing 787-8

36294

489

Air India

VT-ANX

Boeing 787-8

36295

511

Air India

VT-ANY

Boeing 787-8

36296

579

Air India

VT-ANY

Boeing 787-8

36297

592

Air India

VT-NAA

Boeing 787-8

36298

595

Air India

VT-NAC

Boeing 787-8

36299

618

 

[Kevin Farnell]

BHX has now had 100 different B787's, apart from LHR has any other airport (MAN or LGW) had as many ?

Boeing 787-8

38320

58

Qatar Airways

A7-BCC

Boeing 787-8

38321

82

Qatar Airways

A7-BCD

Boeing 787-8

38322

99

Qatar Airways

A7-BCE

Boeing 787-8

38323

103

Qatar Airways

A7-BCF

Boeing 787-8

38324

109

Qatar Airways

A7-BCG

Boeing 787-8

38325

116

Qatar Airways

A7-BCH

Boeing 787-8

38326

129

Qatar Airways

A7-BCI

Boeing 787-8

38327

138

Qatar Airways

A7-BCJ

Boeing 787-8

38328

144

Qatar Airways

A7-BCK

Boeing 787-8

38329

62

Qatar Airways

A7-BCL

Boeing 787-8

38330

64

Qatar Airways

A7-BCM

Boeing 787-8

38331

150

Qatar Airways

A7-BCN

Boeing 787-8

38332

176

Qatar Airways

A7-BCO

Boeing 787-8

38333

188

Qatar Airways

A7-BCP

Boeing 787-8

38334

204

Qatar Airways

A7-BCQ

Boeing 787-8

38335

215

Qatar Airways

A7-BCR

Boeing 787-8

38336

225

Qatar Airways

A7-BCS

Boeing 787-8

38337

261

Qatar Airways

A7-BCT

Boeing 787-8

38338

266

Qatar Airways

A7-BCU

Boeing 787-8

38339

277

Qatar Airways

A7-BCV

Boeing 787-8

38340

292

Qatar Airways

A7-BCW

Boeing 787-8

38341

328

Qatar Airways

A7-BCX

Boeing 787-8

38342

352

Qatar Airways

A7-BCY

Boeing 787-8

38343

354

Qatar Airways

A7-BCZ

Boeing 787-8

38344

384

Qatar Airways

A7-BDA

Boeing 787-8

38345

394

Qatar Airways

A7-BDB

Boeing 787-8

38346

410

Qatar Airways

A7-BDC

Boeing 787-8

38347

420

Qatar Airways

A7-BDD

Boeing 787-8

38348

440

Hainan Airlines

B-2723

Boeing 787-8

34944

81

Air Austral

F-OLRC

Boeing 787-8

34510

22

Norwegian Air UK

G-CJGI

Boeing 787-9

38756

538

Norwegian Air UK

G-CKNA

Boeing 787-9

38784

593

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIA

Boeing 787-8

34422

92

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIB

Boeing 787-8

34423

94

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIC

Boeing 787-8

34424

96

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUID

Boeing 787-8

36424

106

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIE

Boeing 787-8

37227

191

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIF

Boeing 787-8

36428

198

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIG

Boeing 787-8

36426

260

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUIH

Boeing 787-8

37229

291

TUI Airways/Thomson

G-TUII

Boeing 787-8

37230

300

TUI Airways

G-TUIK

Boeing 787-9

44579

564

TUI Airways

G-TUIL

Boeing 787-9

64053

676

Virgin Atlantic

G-VAHH

Boeing 787-9

37967

246

Virgin Atlantic

G-VNEW

Boeing 787-9

40956

218

Virgin Atlantic

G-VOOH

Boeing 787-9

37968

256

Virgin Atlantic

G-VZIG

Boeing 787-9

37969

267

British Airways

G-ZBJD

Boeing 787-8

38619

121

British Airways

G-ZBJG

Boeing 787-8

38614

187

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAA

Boeing 787-8

37983

194

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAB

Boeing 787-8

35319

214

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAC

Boeing 787-8

37164

219

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAE

Boeing 787-8

37166

221

Royal Jordanian

JY-BAF

Boeing 787-8

36112

233

Norwegian

LN-LNA (EI-LNA)

Boeing 787-8

35304

102

Norwegian

LN-LNB (EI-LNB)

Boeing 787-8

35305

112

Norwegian

LN-LNC

Boeing 787-8

34795

136

Norwegian

LN-LND (EI-LND)

Boeing 787-8

35310

153

Norwegian

LN-LNE (EI-LNE)

Boeing 787-8

34796

165

Norwegian

LN-LNF

Boeing 787-8

35313

178

Norwegian

LN-LNG

Boeing 787-8

35314

183

Norwegian

LN-LNH (EI-LNH)

Boeing 787-8

36526

279

Norwegian

LN-LNI

Boeing 787-9

37307

400

Norwegian

LN-LNK

Boeing 787-9

62082

450

Norwegian

LN-LNL

Boeing 787-9

37931

488

Norwegian

LN-LNN

Boeing 787-9

38891

556

TUI Airlines Nederland

PH-TFL

Boeing 787-8

37228

245

LOT Polish Airlines

SP-LRE

Boeing 787-8

35939

88

Air India

VT-ANA

Boeing 787-8

36273

25

Air India

VT-ANB

Boeing 787-8

36279

26

Air India

VT-ANC

Boeing 787-8

36274

28

Air India

VT-AND

Boeing 787-8

36278

29

Air India

VT-ANE

Boeing 787-8

36280

30

Air India

VT-ANG

Boeing 787-8

36275

32

Air India

VT-ANH

Boeing 787-8

36276

35

Air India

VT-ANI

Boeing 787-8

36277

46

Air India

VT-ANJ

Boeing 787-8

36281

54

Air India

VT-ANK

Boeing 787-8

36282

60

Air India

VT-ANL

Boeing 787-8

36283

65

Air India

VT-ANM

Boeing 787-8

36284

72

Air India

VT-ANN

Boeing 787-8

36285

90

Air India

VT-ANO

Boeing 787-8

36286

91

Air India

VT-ANP

Boeing 787-8

36287

158

Air India

VT-ANQ

Boeing 787-8

36288

180

Air India

VT-ANR

Boeing 787-8

36289

208

Air India

VT-ANS

Boeing 787-8

36290

232

Air India

VT-ANT

Boeing 787-8

36291

250

Air India

VT-ANU

Boeing 787-8

36292

273

Air India

VT-ANV

Boeing 787-8

36293

311

Air India

VT-ANW

Boeing 787-8

36294

489

Air India

VT-ANX

Boeing 787-8

36295

511

Air India

VT-ANY

Boeing 787-8

36296

579

Air India

VT-ANY

Boeing 787-8

36297

592

Air India

VT-NAA

Boeing 787-8

36298

595

Air India

VT-NAC

Boeing 787-8

36299

618

Possibly due to formatting, I'm finding this very difficult to understand.
In all cases (except the very first) I'm seeing an airline name.

Below that, a registration.

Below that an aircraft type/sub-type

Below that, a 5 figure number which I assume to be the MSN

Then below that a 2 or 3 figure number which makes no sense. It can't be the number of visits or PAX carried.

E.g.

'Norwegian

LN-LNI

Boeing 787-9

37307

400'

There is no way that LN-LNI has made 400 visits and will not have carried any PAX to BHX.

What am I missing?

Kevin

 

[IanFarquharson]

Try again - here are the 100, my question was has even MAN or LGW had 100 differment 787's ?

Oman Air A4O-SA
Oman Air A4O-SB
Oman Air A4O-SZ
Qatar Airways A7-BCA
Qatar Airways A7-BCB
Qatar Airways A7-BCC
Qatar Airways A7-BCD
Qatar Airways A7-BCE
Qatar Airways A7-BCF
Qatar Airways A7-BCG
Qatar Airways A7-BCH
Qatar Airways A7-BCI
Qatar Airways A7-BCJ
Qatar Airways A7-BCK
Qatar Airways A7-BCL
Qatar Airways A7-BCM
Qatar Airways A7-BCN
Qatar Airways A7-BCO
Qatar Airways A7-BCP
Qatar Airways A7-BCQ
Qatar Airways A7-BCR
Qatar Airways A7-BCS
Qatar Airways A7-BCT
Qatar Airways A7-BCU
Qatar Airways A7-BCV
Qatar Airways A7-BCW
Qatar Airways A7-BCX
Qatar Airways A7-BCY
Qatar Airways A7-BCZ
Qatar Airways A7-BDA
Qatar Airways A7-BDB
Qatar Airways A7-BDC
Qatar Airways A7-BDD
Hainan Airlines B-2723
Air Austral F-OLRC
Norwegian Air UK G-CJGI
Norwegian Air UK G-CKNA
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUIA
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUIB
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUIC
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUID
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUIE
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUIF
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUIG
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUIH
TUI Airways/Thomson G-TUII
TUI Airways G-TUIK
TUI Airways G-TUIL
Virgin Atlantic G-VAHH
Virgin Atlantic G-VNEW
Virgin Atlantic G-VOOH
Virgin Atlantic G-VZIG
British Airways G-ZBJD
British Airways G-ZBJG
Royal Jordanian JY-BAA
Royal Jordanian JY-BAB
Royal Jordanian JY-BAC
Royal Jordanian JY-BAE
Royal Jordanian JY-BAF
Norwegian LN-LNA (EI-LNA)
Norwegian LN-LNB (EI-LNB)
Norwegian LN-LNC
Norwegian LN-LND (EI-LND)
Norwegian LN-LNE (EI-LNE)
Norwegian LN-LNF
Norwegian LN-LNG
Norwegian LN-LNH (EI-LNH)
Norwegian LN-LNI
Norwegian LN-LNK
Norwegian LN-LNL
Norwegian LN-LNN
TUI Airlines Nederland PH-TFL
LOT Polish Airlines SP-LRE
Air India VT-ANA
Air India VT-ANB
Air India VT-ANC
Air India VT-AND
Air India VT-ANE
Air India VT-ANG
Air India VT-ANH
Air India VT-ANI
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[Seasider]

Possibly due to formatting, I'm finding this very difficult to understand.
In all cases (except the very first) I'm seeing an airline name.

Below that, a registration.

Below that an aircraft type/sub-type

Below that, a 5 figure number which I assume to be the MSN

Then below that a 2 or 3 figure number which makes no sense. It can't be the number of visits or PAX carried.

E.g.

'Norwegian

LN-LNI

Boeing 787-9

37307

400'

There is no way that LN-LNI has made 400 visits and will not have carried any PAX to BHX.

What am I missing?

Kevin

Could it be the line number ie LN-LNI was the 400th 787 made.

 

[Matt995]

its actually now 102 airframes to have visited, I missed off:-

LN-LNJ B789 Order No 37308, Line No 418 (on the original list I posted on another forum, that Ian knows about!)

and yesterday saw the first visit of:-

G-CJUL B789 Order No 38779, Line No 581 (I had a great view of it inbound over Warwick!)

Both Norwegian Dreamliners!

 

[IanFarquharson]

Cheers Matt
I still think that apart from LHR then BHX has had the most 787s

 

[Ray Finkle]

Interesting words from Justine Greening.


Former Transport Secretary Justine Greening has written to Midland MPs urging them to vote against a planned third runway at Heathrow Airport.

She claimed the project would damage trade at Birmingham Airport.

In a letter to the region's MPs, she said an analysis shows Birmingham Airport losing 17,098 international flights annually by 2030 as a direct result of Heathrow expansion.

She said: "You may feel it’s time to get on with it', but the 'it' is a clear downgrading of your regional airports’ connections.

"Birmingham Airport in your region is nearly 15% smaller on international flights by 2030 as a direct consequence of the Airports NPS proposal."

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/ne...transport-secretary-justine-greening-14816014