KLM

[752]

Should help with the night jet movements

 

[Finger66]

A pal of mine travelled to DUS (eventually) yesterday for an interview using the KL1020 out of LBA. The flight was just over 30 mins late and he didn't make his connection, yet the aircraft was still on stand in AMS when he got to the gare. Put on waitlist for the next AMS-DUS sector which in the end he fortunately got on.

One very dissatisfied customer who will probably not risk the route again despite having a successful interview. He was actually all for returning home from AMS because in his eyes KLM could have done more. I think the frustration here is that whilst flights cannot of course be held indefinitely KLM would know he was on his way from LBA and we were talking literally a few minutes. But probably a reflection on quite a slot constrained airport with a schedule to keep to

 

[YorkshireLad]

A pal of mine travelled to DUS (eventually) yesterday for an interview using the KL1020 out of LBA. The flight was just over 30 mins late and he didn't make his connection, yet the aircraft was still on stand in AMS when he got to the gare. Put on waitlist for the next AMS-DUS sector which in the end he fortunately got on.

One very dissatisfied customer who will probably not risk the route again despite having a successful interview. He was actually all for returning home from AMS because in his eyes KLM could have done more. I think the frustration here is that whilst flights cannot of course be held indefinitely KLM would know he was on his way from LBA and we were talking literally a few minutes. But probably a reflection on quite a slot constrained airport with a schedule to keep to

I never use connecting flights for this reason. If a direct flight exists, I’m using it, even if it means travelling further afield

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Thry

A pal of mine travelled to DUS (eventually) yesterday for an interview using the KL1020 out of LBA. The flight was just over 30 mins late and he didn't make his connection, yet the aircraft was still on stand in AMS when he got to the gare. Put on waitlist for the next AMS-DUS sector which in the end he fortunately got on.

One very dissatisfied customer who will probably not risk the route again despite having a successful interview. He was actually all for returning home from AMS because in his eyes KLM could have done more. I think the frustration here is that whilst flights cannot of course be held indefinitely KLM would know he was on his way from LBA and we were talking literally a few minutes. But probably a reflection on quite a slot constrained airport with a schedule to keep to

They hold long haul flights for late connections but I've never heard of holding them on short haul. So not just KLM policy. If you take a conbecting flight its just one of the risks you run.

 

[Jerry]

A pal of mine travelled to DUS (eventually) yesterday for an interview using the KL1020 out of LBA. The flight was just over 30 mins late and he didn't make his connection, yet the aircraft was still on stand in AMS when he got to the gare. Put on waitlist for the next AMS-DUS sector which in the end he fortunately got on.

One very dissatisfied customer who will probably not risk the route again despite having a successful interview. He was actually all for returning home from AMS because in his eyes KLM could have done more. I think the frustration here is that whilst flights cannot of course be held indefinitely KLM would know he was on his way from LBA and we were talking literally a few minutes. But probably a reflection on quite a slot constrained airport with a schedule to keep to

If the flight was over 30 minutes late and he missed his connection then that surely means he risked a very tight connection? Yes KLM do sell them but with connections under an hour there's always the risk of missing them.

 

[Finger66]

It was his new employer that booked the flights. As mentioned I think the frustration was that the aircraft was still on stand when he reached the gate, just closed for boarding. And the fact KLM would have known the status of the LBA flight we weren't talking hours delay here.
Perhaps KLM needs to start thinking more about what their MCT needs to be in AMS

 

[BCFC]

I never use connecting flights for this reason. If a direct flight exists, I’m using it, even if it means travelling further afield

I have used Cathay connecting flights from HKG to CAN about 5 times with a 60-minute connection, they collect you in golf carts and take to to the gate if it's a bit late.
KLM from LBA are a joke, never on time if it's not cancelled.

 

[Seasider]

I have never had a problem with KLM when transferring at AMS. I have never missed a connection or had a flight cancelled.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I never use connecting flights for this reason. If a direct flight exists, I’m using it, even if it means travelling further afield

Its often to allow enough tine between co

It was his new employer that booked the flights. As mentioned I think the frustration was that the aircraft was still on stand when he reached the gate, just closed for boarding. And the fact KLM would have known the status of the LBA flight we weren't talking hours delay here.
Perhaps KLM needs to start thinking more about what their MCT needs to be in AMS

Its a bit hard to justify extending it,

I have never had a problem with KLM when transferring at AMS. I have never missed a connection or had a flight cancelled.

Same here, never had a problem.

 

[KARFA]

it would be interesting to see all the timings, so stepping of the aircraft, through passport control, scheduled/actual departure time for the DUS flight, and gate closed time. i think the MCT for this type of connection is 50 minutes at AMS.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

A friend of ours travelling KLM has been stuck in Athens for four days. They have 'promised' her a connection toLeeds tomorrow. Lets hope the planned cancellations are lifted.

 

[Finger66]

A friend of ours travelling KLM has been stuck in Athens for four days. They have 'promised' her a connection toLeeds tomorrow. Lets hope the planned cancellations are lifted.

Indeed. All 3 flights currently showing as cancelled according to FR24.
As an aside to that, what has happened to the 4th daily service? Was there a planned break for a few weeks?

 

[KARFA]

A friend of ours travelling KLM has been stuck in Athens for four days. They have 'promised' her a connection toLeeds tomorrow. Lets hope the planned cancellations are lifted.

no options on any other carriers either direct or via some other hub to the UK? i know AMS is screwed, but KLM is not the only airline that operates. they have a duty to get your friend home at the earliest opportunity - and that means not just looking at KLM. i very much doubt there will be a KLM option to LBA today btw.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

no options on any other carriers either direct or via some other hub to the UK? i know AMS is screwed, but KLM is not the only airline that operates. they have a duty to get your friend home at the earliest opportunity - and that means not just looking at KLM. i very much doubt there will be a KLM option to LBA today btw.

Im not sure what the airlines responsibilities are when disruption is caused by weather/circumstances outside their control. Having said that I'm sure my friend will explore all possibilities.

 

[KARFA]

Im not sure what the airlines responsibilities are when disruption is caused by weather/circumstances outside their control. Having said that I'm sure my friend will explore all possibilities.

their responsibility is to get them to their destination and look at other airlines - not just KLM or even just skyteam. there are no seats on KLM from ATH to LBA today so has your friend been confirmed?

the only thing that doesn't apply for weather (usually) is compensation. all other entitlements to rebooking and duty of care apply regardless of the reason for the delay/cancellation.

i hope your friend has promoted them to look at all UK airports and not just LBA. i don't believe for one second there have been no seats over the last 4 days to MAN/LBA/LHR/LGW/NCL etc. on BA/A3/LH/LX/EI/AF/SN/IB/U2 etc. at the end of the day i would have taken something to anywhere in England or GLA/EDI and got the train home - the train fare would be claimable from KLM. your friend should push them to look at these other options - and if they refuse it will feed in to the compensation issue i note below.

KLM are also responsible for expenses (hotel & meals) whilst your friend is stuck in ATH so they should claim that all back from KLM.

normally compensation would not apply for weather. but if the airline doesn't actually take opportunities to rebook them on other airlines to get them home days earlier, it does become payable. not something to worry about today, but it is something to look at when they are back.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

their responsibility is to get them to their destination and look at other airlines - not just KLM or even just skyteam. there are no seats on KLM from ATH to LBA today so has your friend been confirmed?

the only thing that doesn't apply for weather (usually) is compensation. all other entitlements to rebooking and duty of care apply regardless of the reason for the delay/cancellation.

i hope your friend has promoted them to look at all UK airports and not just LBA. i don't believe for one second there have been no seats over the last 4 days to MAN/LBA/LHR/LGW/NCL etc. on BA/A3/LH/LX/EI/AF/SN/IB/U2 etc. at the end of the day i would have taken something to anywhere in England or GLA/EDI and got the train home - the train fare would be claimable from KLM. your friend should push them to look at these other options - and if they refuse it will feed in to the compensation issue i note below.

KLM are also responsible for expenses (hotel & meals) whilst your friend is stuck in ATH so they should claim that all back from KLM.

normally compensation would not apply for weather. but if the airline doesn't actually take opportunities to rebook them on other airlines to get them home days earlier, it does become payable. not something to worry about today, but it is something to look at when they are back.

Thanks for clarifying the situation. The issue that if she gets to AMS there are only limited flights available to anywhere else. Those flights that do operate must be massively in demand. Train to the UK may be the best option, unless KL book her on a flight direct to the UK or somewhere that isnt in the bad weather like CDG.

 

[KARFA]

Thanks for clarifying the situation. The issue that if she gets to AMS there are only limited flights available to anywhere else. Those flights that do operate must be massively in demand. Train to the UK may be the best option, unless KL book her on a flight direct to the UK or somewhere that isnt in the bad weather like CDG.

hence my whole point in looking at other carriers. do not look at AMS - look at options which are either direct ATH-UK or via other european hubs - MUC/FRA/CDG/BRU/MAD/ZRH/CPH/VIE etc. there is no point restricting to AMS - if they only look at AMS they will still be in ATH next week.

edit: there is a U2 flight direct to MAN at 1335 today with seats available.

 

[752]

We look to be back at x3 daily for winter on the dates i looked on the website, anyone know why / if this was planned etc?

 

[YorkshireLad]

I noticed this a while back, but didn’t pay too much attention as it was on a third party website. It would be a shame to lose the 4th daily flight, surely it must be utilised

 

[Danny]

I noticed this a while back, but didn’t pay too much attention as it was on a third party website. It would be a shame to lose the 4th daily flight, surely it must be utilised

KLM to launch fourth-daily service from Leeds Bradford Airport to Amsterdam

Four of a kind” as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines announces the expansion of its operations at Leeds Bradford Airport, adding a fourth-daily service to Amsterdam Schiphol this winter (excluding lower season 4 Jan – 20 Feb 2026)

www.leedsbradfordairport.co.uk

“Four of a kind” as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines announces the expansion of its operations at Leeds Bradford Airport, adding a fourth-daily service to Amsterdam Schiphol this winter (excluding lower season 4 Jan – 20 Feb 2026).