KLM

[Jerry]

it feels like KLM are doing little to generate any growth at LBA. In fact they seem to be doing their best to do the opposite.

Tbf to KLM they have kept the route onsale at 3 daily with 21 weekly departures all E190s yes its with Eastern but that's better than nothing or losing the overnighting aircraft and going to 14 weekly like they did at Cardiff.
As for Exeter it's one daily flight in the afternoon and we don’t know how they're able to operate it but it's possible that it's come at the expense of another airport in Europe or because another airport got upgraded to mainline releasing the Cityhopper flight.
I know it's disappointing not to see KLM livery but at least they're still committed to keep serving LBA and not cut the frequency or the route at all but instead organised a sub contractor to keep the route going.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Tbf to KLM they have kept the route onsale at 3 daily with 21 weekly departures all E190s yes its with Eastern but that's better than nothing or losing the overnighting aircraft and going to 14 weekly like they did at Cardiff.
As for Exeter it's one daily flight in the afternoon and we don’t know how they're able to operate it but it's possible that it's come at the expense of another airport in Europe or because another airport got upgraded to mainline releasing the Cityhopper flight.
I know it's disappointing not to see KLM livery but at least they're still committed to keep serving LBA and not cut the frequency or the route at all but instead organised a sub contractor to keep the route going.

Its not all E190's by any means.

 

[Jerry]

Its not all E190's by any means.

On the app that's what scheduled and onsale. Obviously operational circumstances could mean a change of aircraft type but at the moment LBA is sold as 21 weekly E190 departures.

 

[airforced]

The last few posts on this thread are all 'fair comment' I would say but they do show to me that KLM are in something of a mess which is a great shame. Eastern, for various reasons, are not everybodies cup of tea and I think that everyone would prefer Mainline on the route but by the sound of it they too are not in the best of health for whatever reason, but we still have a service of sorts. Not a satisfactory service but a service.

Maybe KLM will eventually get their fingers out or maybe they won't. Some reliable competition on the route, serving the needs of passengers, would be nice though. I've said this before but once upon a time, many years ago now, KLM was a good airline but it all seemed to change when they got into bed with AF.

 

[pug]

Norwich, Southampton, Inverness, Exeter, London City, Cardiff and Belfast City and Cork as well are for the most part done by Cityhopper. The other airports in general do see a mix mainline and Cityhopper including Heathrow. Eastern does operate Cityhopper flights into those airports as well.

Norwich is the next slated to be turned over to eastern assuming the plans stay the same.

Once again a lot of the issues are of KLC making, but if you think T3 are going to invest heavily in resources to just lose the contract… If KLM/C have given any indication this might happen you will see T3 prioritise elsewhere. It’s fanning expensive doing all this recruiting and training.

It may appear defensive, in some ways it is. People are working their arses off in chaos just to try ensure they don’t end up on the dole! KLM are adding pressure to the on routes but also delaying the release of assets to get properly w&b certified which had caused issues for the start of the LBA base. Recruiting e-jet pilots continues to be tough.

There’s more at stake here than just LBA. KLM will always make sure their passengers are looked after during delays or cancellations.

Be VERY careful what you wish for.

 

[jason1-11]

I see Friday morning 06:20 departure, is already showing the dreaded "cancelled."

Update: KLM website stating weather related.

 

[The Pole]

I see Friday morning 06:20 departure, is already showing the dreaded "cancelled."

Update: KLM website stating weather related.

Too warm on Friday?

 

[pug]

Too warm on Friday?

Hunbersides is also cancelled. Suggest it’s something AMS/KLM related.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Hunbersides is also cancelled. Suggest it’s something AMS/KLM related.

And Teesside.

 

[White Heather]

Hunbersides is also cancelled. Suggest it’s something AMS/KLM related.

The weather forecast for Amsterdam for Friday morning around 0700 and the rest of the day is sunny, light winds, 10c and rising, and only 10% chance of precipitation, so on the face of it, any cancellations are nothing to do with the weather in Amsterdam.

 

[pug]

The weather forecast for Amsterdam for Friday morning around 0700 and the rest of the day is sunny, light winds, 10c and rising, and only 10% chance of precipitation, so on the face of it, any cancellations are nothing to do with the weather in Amsterdam.

Not suggesting it’s weather, but to cancel all flights on that morning from three airports.. I know in June there are planned reductions due to an international conference, not unlikely that this could be something similar.

 

[White Heather]

Not suggesting it’s weather, but to cancel all flights on that day.. I know in June there are planned reductions due to an international conference, not unlikely that this could be something similar.

Yes. It was Jason 1-11 that mentioned that the KLM website said the cancellations were weather related. Given the forecast, and high pressure over Europe, that seems very unlikely. I can't help but wonder if this weather is impacting KLM Cityhopper too, or just Eastern!

 

[Jerry]

Norwich is the next slated to be turned over to eastern assuming the plans stay the same.

That would then mean they operate all of Cityhopper overnighting in England.

It’s fanning expensive doing all this recruiting and training

Well hopefully for Eastern it'll turn into something similar to say Citjet for SAS or NORRA for Finnair where it's a long term operation in KLM colours. I've no doubt it's not cheap to expand like this.

 

[pug]

Yes. It was Jason 1-11 that mentioned that the KLM website said the cancellations were weather related. Given the forecast, and high pressure over Europe, that seems very unlikely. I can't help but wonder if this weather is impacting KLM Cityhopper too, or just Eastern!

Yes but they will code it to things like ‘Weather’ or ‘Technical Reasons’ but the likelihood is it’s something else. Tomorrow’s EXT is cancelled. CWL cancelled in the afternoon. Tomorrow mornings ABZ cancelled. BRS has a cancellation.

This does not appear to be an eastern issue. Honestly, what I’ve been saying on here is true. It’s not all eastern being incompetent as some on here believe.

 

[Jerry]

can't help but wonder if this weather is impacting KLM Cityhopper too, or just Eastern!

Cardiffs evenings flight on Thursday is cancelled as well. Idk about the Friday morning flight.

 

[pug]

That would then mean they operate all of Cityhopper overnighting in England.

Well hopefully for Eastern it'll turn into something similar to say Citjet for SAS or NORRA for Finnair where it's a long term operation in KLM colours. I've no doubt it's not cheap to expand like this.

Eastern need to buck their ideas up at the top, there’s no debating that. You can’t just throw a load of work at the staff and expect them to get it done with limited resource. However I think this could be a long lasting partnership if they can get their ducks in a row and for that reason I 100% support it.

This isn’t eastern trying to start new schedules. They are to all intents and purposes a KLM service on eastern aircraft with eastern crew and to be honest the passenger numbers at HUY have increased since Eastern took it on so clearly the supposed poor performance isn’t having an impact on that as some like to believe.

I couldn’t comment on the long running LBA vs Eastern stuff that people talk about on here but I do know there are two sides to that story….

 

[Jerry]

This isn’t eastern trying to start new schedules. They are to all intents and purposes a KLM service on eastern aircraft with eastern crew and to be honest the passenger numbers at HUY have increased since Eastern took it on so clearly the supposed poor performance isn’t having an impact on that as some like to believe.

Which should be guaranteed work for them in the future and hopefully secure the airlines long term future and find them a niche. In the end as enthusiasts we don’t want to see another airline go bust.

I couldn’t comment on the long running LBA vs Eastern stuff that people talk about on here but I do know there are two sides to that story…

I have no idea about that tbh.

 

[pug]

Which should be guaranteed work for them in the future and hopefully secure the airlines long term future and find them a niche. In the end as enthusiasts we don’t want to see another airline go bust.


I have no idea about that tbh.

That’s what I’d be hoping for as I think it provides stability all around, particularly if they were to start wearing the KLM livery of sorts. I know they’ve signalled a long term contract so this wasn’t just to cover short term staffing and capacity issues.

However it will take a couple of years to work up to it if that’s the case so we must give it time and hope that RL gets it running to stability and reliability as much as possible.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Yes but they will code it to things like ‘Weather’ or ‘Technical Reasons’ but the likelihood is it’s something else. Tomorrow’s EXT is cancelled. CWL cancelled in the afternoon. Tomorrow mornings ABZ cancelled. BRS has a cancellation.

This does not appear to be an eastern issue. Honestly, what I’ve been saying on here is true. It’s not all eastern being incompetent as some on here believe.

Is it affecting mainline though?

 

[pug]

Is it affecting mainline though?

I’m not sure but I don’t suppose that matters as it’s not mainline that’s suffering with the shortages as much. We also have to remember that AMS is artificially slot constrained, this is why there are the planned schedule reductions in June when they’re anticipating an increase in non scheduled traffic. They’ve obviously planned these cancellations in ahead of time to enable them to let the passengers know and rebook them on another flight.