Archive Route Development & Rumours

[Just Birmingham]

I'm not envious obviously. )

Lots of chat about increases and new services to Manchester re China but Birmingham does seems to be getting well and truly squeezed out of the picture.

 

[Land23R]

China Slots: Thanks for the explanation User001. I was wrong then (nothing unusual there) and thought it was only the PVG slots that were the issue, or maybe assumed the 'regional' agreement (never enacted apparently) covered the route slots.

Just Birmingham, didn't your Mr Kehoe indicate BHX would have a China link in 2017 - there's still time.

 

[Aceshigh]

Interesting that EI have canned Liverpool , Cardiff and Doncaster all at one go. I'm just suprised because I thought the idea re IAG was to build up frequency and route structure for the Dublin hub.

Are they having second thoughts ?

Has strategy changed ?

No reason to put it here other than the effect on loads Ex Manchester !

I've heard a whisper of Detroit with Virgin 2017 but it's only somebody down the pub so don't hang your collective hats on it.

 

[ethanegcc]

I hope DTW still materialises.

 

[Aceshigh]

Would Vueling IAG start A320 neo long haul ops from Manchester ?

 

[Jerry]

Interesting that EI have canned Liverpool , Cardiff and Doncaster all at one go. I'm just suprised because I thought the idea re IAG was to build up frequency and route structure for the Dublin hub.

Are they having second thoughts ?

Has strategy changed ?

No reason to put it here other than the effect on loads Ex Manchester !

I've heard a whisper of Detroit with Virgin 2017 but it's only somebody down the pub so don't hang your collective hats on it.

With DSA and CWL as well as EXT and SOU, EI have codeshares with Flybe. At CWL there was overkill on the route and Flybe were going to cut to a nightly flight but then EI announced they were withdrawing so they worked out a codeshare deal which starts this week.

 

[ethanegcc]

I had a quick read through pprune earlier. User001 stated that the 'fifteenth US destination' would be announced next week. Is this the long haul route news he proposed earlier in this thread?

User, would it be possible if you could give us any more information on this forum?

Looking forward to this - San Diego, Detroit, Tampa, Dallas, Seattle? Just a few suggestions...

 

[Jerry]

Would Vueling IAG start A320 neo long haul ops from Manchester ?

I don't believe they can as they are a Spanish carrier. I believe Norwegian gets around it by registering as a UK carrier but i might be wrong about that? Vueling could get around it by operating on behalf of BA but then it would be a BA route.

 

[ethanegcc]

The last few days have been pretty full of great things for MAN.

First, HU is reported to have scheduled daily operation on MAN-PEK.

Air China is reported to have secured four weekly MAN-PVG, just waiting for official announcement.

Singapore resumed non-stop SIN-MAN flights and launched MAN-IAH flights.

Flybe began operations to Toulouse.

Tomorrow, BA (Sun AiR) launch flights to Bremen.Tomorrow morning we have BA1387 to LHR at 0855, BA8238 to BRE at 0855 and BA8246 to Billund at 0900. Where are we - London Heathrow!?

 

[User001]

Ryanair to Bremen has now ended.

 

[ethanegcc]

Ryanair to Bremen has now ended.

Thank you for the cprrection. Perhaps this is a good thing as I did think BA were brave going against RYR and with HAM capacity booming, do we need more to Northern Germany without it becoming a bloodbath.

Are you able to give any clues on the 15th US service User?

 

[David_itl]

There's no problem for Vueling to start ops to the States now - it's just the non-EU signed bilaterals that cause issues. At the moment Norwegian is using both the UK and Norwegian AOCs out of Gatwick on long haul. As soon as they want to add South Africa and Bangkok is when they will need the UK version of the airline.

Edited to get rid of the blooper as its the Irish AOC which is causing issues with Cork to Boston.

 

[Jerry]

There's no problem for Vueling to start ops to the States now - it's just the non-EU signed bilaterals that cause issues. At the moment Norwegian is using both the UK and Norwegian AOCs out of Gatwick on long haul. As soon as they want to add South Africa and Bangkok is when they will need the UK version of the airline.

Edited to get rid of the blooper as its the Irish AOC which is causing issues with Cork to Boston

Ah thanks for that! Thought they had to register in the UK first. How are Singapore Airlines able to do MAN-IAH assuming they don't have a British AOC?

 

[ethanegcc]

They have fifth freedom rights for the route, Jerry. Similarly to Air India's LHR-EWR and PIAs MAM-JFK (even though this only goes westbound)

 

[Dobbo]

I think Singapore is part of open skies with the EU and USA...

 

[User001]

As the EU has open skies with the US, Vueling could operate MAN-USA.

SQ can operate SIN-MAN-IAH as it has 5th freedom with all 3 countries having open skies.

 

[User001]

Another potential new airline, Air Cairo. Flights not bookable yet (maybe they mean they will be bookable at end of November) Source seems pretty spot on, all the other info on their page was legitimate:

 

[Dobbo]

Could be quite a big winter increase...

 

[User001]

Tampa Airport adjusting its incentive programme, with the emphasis on getting new routes to Dublin, Amsterdam and Manchester.

It claims Manchester is now its largest unserved EU market.

Given Aer Lingus seems to stick to 'core routes' and likely the only possible carrier for a route, I'd say Manchester with Thomas Cook has a a higher chance of seeing the light of day.

TUI could well serve AMS-TPA.

Odds on now that 2018 will see TPA/SAN as new routes.

 

[ethanegcc]

I presume this is not the proposed 15th US destination you said was to be launched this week? Is that still happening and any news on Tunisair becoming bookable?