Route Development & Rumours

[Ray Finkle]

Jet2 have lots of aircraft arriving from September this year.

I may be totally off though.

We'll see.

 

[Brum X]

Im going to go for CWL as the other rather than BRS

 

[IanFarquharson]

2 x 738's for BHX would be my guess

 

[TheLocalYokel]

http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/My-Career-Hunt/jobs/Cabin-Crew-Member-26365bef44ec6548?q=cabin+crew

We are currently screening candidates for a reputable growing airline, who will shortly be based at three of the UK’s busiest airports, one of which being Birmingham. In 2015 over 6 million passengers on the continent flew with them.

Are these /guesses/predictions/forecasts still predicated on Jet 2? Doesn't the fact that 6 million passengers on the continent flew with in 2015 raise a question mark about the airline being Jet 2?

I fully understand that some agency adverts can seem 'mysterious', sometimes to protect the identity of the client - in this case an airline.

Whoever it is, it appears that BHX is a certainty. Whoever the other two airports turn out to be is far less certain. The advert speaks of a base at three of the UK’s busiest airports. BHX is now over 10 mppa and heading quickly towards 11 mppa-plus and is currently the UK's seventh busiest.

BRS and CWL have been suggested as possibilities in addition to BHX. BRS is just under 7 mppa (9th busiest) and CWL only 1.2 mppa (19th busiest). Neither are really amongst the UK's busiest, certainly not CWL. Furthermore, would a new airline (for the UK) setting up three new bases open one 'just down the road' from BHX at BRS or CWL as well?

If it does turn out to be Jet 2 then the advert is clearly far from accurate (perhaps for good reasons as I previously suggested) in which case Jet 2 might look at BRS or CWL as well as BHX.

 

[Brum X]

I suppose "continent" could be Europe as a whole (Incl UK) but yes as you say there are a few things that are slightly wrong with the advert.

My guess is that it could well be Jet2, if it is an airline on the continent, im still going for Transavia. I believe they have just opened a new base at Munich so they are obvioulsy expanding, but at x 3 UK airports ????? The mind boggles

 

[Ray Finkle]

Mine is just a guess based on current rumours. Jet2 do seem to fit, although I note the point about passengers flown 'on the continent'.

I'd say the UK's busiest airports could be any of those in the top 10 or so and I'd certainly say Bristol qualifies. Possibly not Cardiff, although adverts can be 'spiced up' shall we say.

My opinion is that if it is a new airline to the UK looking at adding a base at any of the airports above Birmingham (LGW/STN/MAN/LTN/EDI) then I'd imagine that at least one of those would take preference for the first allocation this autumn and BHX would follow for summer with the other one?

Pure speculation of course.

 

[Brum X]

Mine is just a guess based on current rumours. Jet2 do seem to fit, although I note the point about passengers flown 'on the continent'.

I'd say the UK's busiest airports could be any of those in the top 10 or so and I'd certainly say Bristol qualifies. Possibly not Cardiff, although adverts can be 'spiced up' shall we say.

My opinion is that if it is a new airline to the UK looking at adding a base at any of the airports above Birmingham (LGW/STN/MAN/LTN/EDI) then I'd imagine that at least one of those would take preference for the first allocation this autumn and BHX would follow for summer with the other one?

Pure speculation of course.

However Ray, the above are "very" well supported by low cost bases all over the place, something BHX still isnt so they could of seen a market which could do with some nice expansion. It could be a positive ;-)

 

[Ray Finkle]

Good point.

There are so many ways that this could go.

I guess we'll have to wait and see but if it's an autumn start then hopefully we won't have to wait too long.

 

[richard winterbourn]

If it is to be Jet2 would they want to create a new base at BHX when they are already heavily involved with another airport just up the M42 - East Midlands?

 

[Brum X]

If it is to be Jet2 would they want to create a new base at BHX when they are already heavily involved with another airport just up the M42 - East Midlands?

Jet2 work fine at both MAN/LBA which is probably a bit closer than BHX/EMA

 

[Ray Finkle]

Looks as though we gain a code share with Xiamen Airlines on our KLM flights.

http://airlineroute.net/2016/03/29/mfkl-codeshare-s16/

 

[Ray Finkle]

An interesting report on Centre for Aviation (although there are some inaccuracies such as 'There are three daily Emirates flights to and from Dubai, but not every day').

Some of the more interesting snippets:

UPS and DHL are planning on using Birmingham this winter during the closures at EMA.

The management believe that there is cargo growth to be had and have had discussions with freight forwarders.

Thomas Cook are planning additional routes for winter (so far undisclosed).

Birmingham have a 'Oneworld Strategy' and a 'Canada Strategy'.

Specific city targets include, but are not limited to, Helsinki, Stockholm, Gothenburg, Vienna and Marseille.

http://centreforaviation.com/analys...etwork-begins-to-reflect-its-ambitions-272007

 

[jfy1999]

Thomas Cook are planning additional routes for winter (so far undisclosed).

As I'm sure was the case with others viewing that for the first time, my first thought was "long haul?" Then I thought it could just be referring to the new based A321 for W16/17. Then I changed my mind again because Thomas Cook have already announced the routes which will be flown by the A321.

Hopefully they're planning long haul, which might cause TOM to retaliate by basing a second 787. The least exciting possibility is that they're simply extending some summer-only routes into winter to make maximum use of the new A321.

 

[Ray Finkle]

I had the same thoughts.

The least exciting possibility is that they're simply extending some summer-only routes into winter to make maximum use of the new A321.

The word 'additional' rather than the word 'new' makes that a strong possibility.

Another interesting point is the graph of the landing fees. Narrow bodies are roughly in line with other airports but wide bodies look around double.

 

[nwoody2001]

I had the same thoughts.



The word 'additional' rather than the word 'new' makes that a strong possibility.

Another interesting point is the graph of the landing fees. Narrow bodies are roughly in line with other airports but wide bodies look around double.

Ray, but as I said on another forum, we are now in 2016 and the landing fee charges stated are from 2014. I personally would read that chart as a snapshot. PK recently went on record to say that BHX has one of the lowest cost bases in the UK for any airport which inherently will impact on charges.

I doubt we will ever see the full detail of landing charges, I suspect most will be confidential, but with EK, PIA and TURK all increasing 777 capacity at BHX, I would be surprised for this to be the case if our 777 charges were that high!

 

[Brum X]

It is a very interesting article.

I noticed they mentioned Finnair.

 

[thunderchild]

The article also shows a map of direct/indirect routes from BHX. Probably nothing but it appears to show ORD as direct.

 

[Brum X]

The article also shows a map of direct/indirect routes from BHX. Probably nothing but it appears to show ORD as direct.

That is interesting. Good Find

 

[Ray Finkle]

I noticed that but thought it was a very poorly positioned Toronto?

 

[thunderchild]

Could well be. I'm never sure if Air Transat are classed as scheduled or charter?