Airport seeks legal clarification on night flying

[JRP]

Be interesting to know how the Clown Group could get this info, the second point?

This one is interesting read, shows the council have messed up again

 

[Statto]

what do you mean ?

 

[JRP]

what do you mean ?

sorry sent 2 messages but it combined into 1
First one point 2 says about evidence between 2007 and 2018 so was woundering where the clown group would get there so called evidence
And the second one is from the airport solicitor pointing out LCC had wondered the details incorrect

 

[JRP]

This is on the planning portal from 7th November, looks like 1 of the Certificate of Existing Lawful Development has been withdrawn

 

[752]

Can anybody expand and understand what that means?

 

[Aviador]

Its anyone's guess what the airport are doing. The airport still needs clarification on whether or not aircraft with a quota count of less than 0.5 count towards the night flying quota. As a guess and its only a guess, it looks like the airport may have been asked to withdraw the application on the basis on a new understanding with LCC. There is also a 0.25 and a 0.125 which the DfT added to the London quota count system.

Aircraft were originally divided into six QC bands from 0.5 to 16, but following a review by the Department for Transport[1] a seventh category – Quota Count 0.25 – was added in March 2007[2] and an eighth category – Quota Count 0.125 – in September 2018.[3] Wikipedia.Org

The problem with the Leeds system is it was developed copying the London quota count system but it was never amended inline with the system it was meant to be copying.

- Departures Arrivals Aircraft type Quota Count Airbus A320 family​ 0.125–1 0.125–0.5 Airbus A380​ 2 0.5 Boeing 737 Classic​ 0.25–0.5 1 Boeing 747-400​ 4 2 Boeing 747-8​ 2 1[10] Boeing 757-200​ 0.5 0.25 Boeing 767-300​ 1–2 1 Boeing 777-200ER​ 2 1 Embraer 145​ 0.25 0.25
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The above might explain why the 757 was withdrawn from LBA as it used a larger proportion of the quota count compared with the smaller variants.

 

[White Heather]

Its anyone's guess what the airport are doing. The airport still needs clarification on whether or not aircraft with a quota count of less than 0.5 count towards the night flying quota. As a guess and its only a guess, it looks like the airport may have been asked to withdraw the application on the basis on a new understanding with LCC. There is also a 0.25 and a 0.125 which the DfT added to the London quota count system.

Aircraft were originally divided into six QC bands from 0.5 to 16, but following a review by the Department for Transport[1] a seventh category – Quota Count 0.25 – was added in March 2007[2] and an eighth category – Quota Count 0.125 – in September 2018.[3] Wikipedia.Org

The problem with the Leeds system is it was developed copying the London quota count system but it was never amended inline with the system it was meant to be copying.

The above might explain why the 757 was withdrawn from LBA as it used a larger proportion of the quota count compared with the smaller variants.

I think it may have been withdrawn because in reality, it was superfluous. It didn't really achieve anything. The remaining 4 applications, if successful, would seem to achieve what the airport needs.

Application 2 stating the planning approval doesn't cover the quieter aircraft is perhaps stating the obvious if that's the case, but, if the planning approval did allow for the updated NOTAMs which introduced quieter aircraft (as LBA claim) then Application 2 seems unnecessary. Perhaps there's been an acceptance that the updated NOTAMs should be taken into consideration and therefore a mutual agreement that Application 2 should be withdrawn.

Those applications based on immunity from enforcement because the Council failed to enforce for over 10 years are the critical ones and difficult to defend given that is the law. If LBA win that argument then they pretty much get what they want and need.

 

[Snackbar]

So the Labour candidate for the Airports constituency has just been announced - it’s Katie White OBE. This is the support the airport can look forward to if she gets elected! https://westleedsdispatch.com/clima...ds-bradford-airport-over-night-flights-issue/

So the Labour candidate for the Airports constituency has just been announced - it’s Katie White OBE. This is the support the airport can look forward to if she gets elected! https://westleedsdispatch.com/clima...ds-bradford-airport-over-night-flights-issue/

Only Leeds Bradford airport could end up with a climate activist as it’s MP

 

[White Heather]

So the Labour candidate for the Airports constituency has just been announced - it’s Katie White OBE. This is the support the airport can look forward to if she gets elected! https://westleedsdispatch.com/clima...ds-bradford-airport-over-night-flights-issue/

Typical Labour. Put an anti airport MP in the airport constituency, taking over exactly where Sobel left off.

 

[Seasider]

Am I right in thinking that LCC are to announce their decision on Wednesday, or can they delay again?

 

[White Heather]

Am I right in thinking that LCC are to announce their decision on Wednesday, or can they delay again?

Not sure they can - at least not without LBA approving it. The planning laws specify the timescale for approval . I honestly can't see LBA being happy about further delay. I assume the first delay was only because the Council messed up and didn't know it until LBAs legal representatives wrote to tell them they had all their wires crossed, which makes them look like a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Aviador]

makes them look like a bunch of amateurs.

That's because they are isn't it?

 

[White Heather]

That's because they are isn't it?

Well no! They get paid.
Unbelievable really.

 

[ls27]

In some cases they get more pay than some of the full time staff

 

[Len Fish]

So calling into question the legality of LBA’s applications and the inevitable threats of legal action if the decision is in favour of LBA. The fact remains that LBA have used an entirely legal procedure under U.K. law that best suits their case (which appears to annoy her!) and which they have a good chance of winning. She goes on about mutual trust but I wouldn’t trust a climate activist as far as I could throw them. Trust works both ways but it’s always take, take, take with these people and no give.

 

[Finger66]

These climate activists probably make more noise, and emit more **** than the airport/aircraft themselves. Let's hope the positive decision is now imminent

 

[Snackbar]

These climate activists probably make more noise, and emit more **** than the airport/aircraft themselves. Let's hope the positive decision is now imminent

Well this her statement on LBA
”I want to see the jobs and opportunities provided by Leeds Bradford Airport protected, while preventing any attempt to increase night flights via a backdoor. I believe we must accelerate the move to lower carbon flying as part of our transition to a modern, net-zero economy”

Home | Katie White for Leeds North West

Katie White, fighting to be selected for the Labour Party Parliamentary nomination for Leeds North West

www.katie4leedsnw.com

 

[JRP]

Not sure they can - at least not without LBA approving it. The planning laws specify the timescale for approval . I honestly can't see LBA being happy about further delay. I assume the first delay was only because the Council messed up and didn't know it until LBAs legal representatives wrote to tell them they had all their wires crossed, which makes them look like a bunch of amateurs.

Amateurs the council? That can’t be true have you seen the chaos the council have caused on the roads around the station, Hunslet Road, Otley Road

Well this her statement on LBA
”I want to see the jobs and opportunities provided by Leeds Bradford Airport protected, while preventing any attempt to increase night flights via a backdoor. I believe we must accelerate the move to lower carbon flying as part of our transition to a modern, net-zero economy”

Home | Katie White for Leeds North West

Katie White, fighting to be selected for the Labour Party Parliamentary nomination for Leeds North West

www.katie4leedsnw.com

I wounder if she has had her ear chewed off by the clown group

 

[White Heather]

Amateurs the council? That can’t be true have you seen the chaos the council have caused on the roads around the station, Hunslet Road, Otley Road


I wounder if she has had her ear chewed off by the clown group

She will certainly have been told what to do by the outgoing untrustworthy general pain in the backside, that's handing over to her.

 

[Seasider]

What is the chance of her being elected?