Weather & Technical Diversions, Delays & Cancellations

[a300boy]

I'm confused about the talk of Cat3A. Are you referring to to the ILS or the aircraft? EGNM (LBA) Rwy 32 is Cat3B, which is guidance down to the ground and along to a full stop in zero vis.

So when did we last have a Tui B737-800.make a Cat 3 landing at Lba ?
A very happy matter of fact crew member on the radio no fuss about the light tailwind and whilst it did use a lot of reverse thrust and all the runway to stop a nice change of policy.
I hope it’s a new attitude to Lba at least until the Wonder Airport in Doncaster opens again maybe !!

 

[pilot_737]

Potentially, the Belfast based aircraft which are UK registered have different RVR limits for making an approach than the Dublin based aircraft which are in the Irish register?
I've noticed before that the Buzz aircraft, registered in Poland, seem to divert more readily than the Irish registered aircraft of Ryanair. Perhaps too today's Sun Express also has higher limits given it landed at MAN at the same time as a Jet2 (same aircraft type) and a larger Wizz A321 were auto landing at LBA, without making an approach.
The two Jet2 733s diverting though when their 738s were landing is more of a mystery, as I'm certain these aircraft have landed Cat3a many times before

There was a slight tailwind onto 32 and both were too heavy to make the approach

 

[White Heather]

There was a slight tailwind onto 32 and both were too heavy to make the approach

Thank you pilot 737, although to the uninitiated that does seem odd given that bigger aircraft such as company 800s and a Wizz A321 all landed, but I guess that its all down to the stopping performance of the 300 series which at a guess isn't as.good as types with larger, more powerful engines?

 

[SierraHotel]

Does the 733 have a higher landing speed?

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I was expecting a SunExpress today, to pick up the pax left behind yesterday, but no sign.

 

[pilot_737]

It's all a numbers game really. You have to add a factorisation to the landing performance when utilising an auto land, and you also add a certain factorisation for safety margin.
The 300 is less forgiving with these factorisations, and you also have to make a lot of interpolations and calculations of the numbers, whereas the iPad gives you the magic number for the 800!
The engine size doesn't really matter!!

Does the 733 have a higher landing speed?

No, the opposite!

 

[quik123]

So when did we last have a Tui B737-800.make a Cat 3 landing at Lba ?

Is this rhetorical? I have no idea what the answer is nor how it helps answer my query.

 

[Aviador]

I'm confused about the talk of Cat3A. Are you referring to to the ILS or the aircraft? EGNM (LBA) Rwy 32 is Cat3B, which is guidance down to the ground and along to a full stop in zero vis.

I'm so pleased you have said that. I've been saying this for years and people keep banging on about only Cat3A. It's all down to the aircraft and crew capabilities.

 

[GolfFox]

The RVR seems to have been above CAT3a limits - did the 733s have an issue with on board equipment or crew qualification - although if they are planned to return that's a puzzle? Similarly the SXS 738. Is it just me or do the Dublin crews have more success landing than Belfast?? This morning the conditions we not dissimilar when BHD diverted and Dublin landed very shortly thereafter. I've noticed this before wonder if again it's down to crew qualificat

I'm confused about the talk of Cat3A. Are you referring to to the ILS or the aircraft? EGNM (LBA) Rwy 32 is Cat3B, which is guidance down to the ground and along to a full stop in zero vis.

Both + crew qualification - the RVRs were generally above Cat 3a (200m) so I guess that' would have been the criteria

 

[KARFA]

I'm so pleased you have said that. I've been saying this for years and people keep banging on about only Cat3A. It's all down to the aircraft and crew capabilities.

I know of at least one major airline which will only operate to cat3a requirements at LBA despite LBA, the pilots, and the aircraft being cat3b capable - this is due to all the other operational factors and limitations at LBA. So even if all the other aspects tick the box, don’t assume the airline’s own airfield procedures allow operating to 3b.

 

[a300boy]

@quik123
I was not answering your question as there are others on this site who are more up to date with this information as I have only flown light aircraft since my retirement in 2002 .
I was just pointing out the unusual landing of Tui when they normally divert in low visibility weather.

 

[Finger66]

Let's hope TUI have finally realised they have got to up their game to maintain some sort of market share against their rivals. Regardless of any pre-conceived opinions any of us have about TUI, the more competition we keep at LBA the better it is for everyone. If U2 do increase their presence in 2025 then all the more reason for TUI to do what they can. They have already lost top UK spot to Jet2 and it could easily become a slippery slope

 

[LBAYORKIE]

This evenings Aer Lingus from/to Dublin is cancelled again.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Todays inbound EZY from Paris was 2 minutes late, but the outbound was delayed again. Should have left 12:40 but finally left 13:28.

 

[752]

Anyone know why Wizz 321N circling? x2 EI ATR have got in?

 

[jason1-11]

Anyone know why Wizz 321N circling? x2 EI ATR have got in?

I would hazard a guess the wind at 10KT straight down 14 is the issue. Would be perfect for a 14 arrival if LBA wasn't in LVP again.

 

[northsouth]

LOOK LIKE DIVERTING NOW HEADING SOUTH WEST & CLIMBED TO 13000

 

[752]

Not good. hopefully will position back.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I would hazard a guess the wind at 10KT straight down 14 is the issue. Would be perfect for a 14 arrival if LBA wasn't in LVP again.

Seems strange that flights before and after got in ok.

 

[SierraHotel]

Due to depart LPL at 1004 and position back to LBA.