Leeds Bradford - General Thread

[LBA4EVER]

Perhaps you could teach/train your own pilots fight2win. LCY is quite an expensive airport to operate in/out. BHD an absolute winner if no one grabs it first.

What are the fees using LCY compared to other airports? saying that think about the type of pax that would use LCY,slightly higher ticket prices I feel would still work. Any other routes and suggestions, so bored here need entertaining

 

[Jerry]

What are the fees using LCY compared to other airports? saying that think about the type of pax that would use LCY,slightly higher ticket prices I feel would still work. Any other routes and suggestions, so bored here need entertaining

If I was setting up an airline at LBA I wouldn't touch LCY. Too much competition.

 

[LBA4EVER]

If I was setting up an airline at LBA I wouldn't touch LCY. Too much competition.

If i was travelling to London esp the area from the o2 up towards the city I would def consider LCY. Also it avoids busy LHR

 

[Finger66]

Too many trains a day to make LCY work even with the appalling service they provide. As I have said before LBA is almost too central. Two things that provide a major advantage to flying is if a stretch of water is in the way or the overland journey is horrendous and/or time consuming. So places like BRU, CDG, EXT, ABZ, ORK are potentials, so there will be others too

 

[Jerry]

If i was travelling to London esp the area from the o2 up towards the city I would def consider LCY. Also it avoids busy LHR

It's the train that is the competition not LHR. My sister lives in Leeds and travels to London regulary for work and always uses the train, the air route never comes into. It was the same with CWL-LCY once the train was back to normal the airlink couldn't compete.

 

[lbaspotter]

Too many trains a day to make LCY work even with the appalling service they provide. As I have said before LBA is almost too central. Two things that provide a major advantage to flying is if a stretch of water is in the way or the overland journey is horrendous and/or time consuming. So places like BRU, CDG, EXT, ABZ, ORK are potentials, so there will be others too

Can add BHD, BFS, NQY to that list now we don't have flybe along with our lost routes to DUS, SXF & CPH.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Can add BHD, BFS, NQY to that list now we don't have flybe along with our lost routes to DUS, SXF & CPH.

Thanks for your input so BHD (3 daily), BRU (2 daily),EXT (2 daily)and DUS (2 daily)I feel would be a good starting point

 

[Finger66]

Sounds good to me and I have a name for your airline. Flight2win

 

[RobT]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...road-not-possible-year-says-Matt-Hancock.html

 

[LBA4EVER]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...road-not-possible-year-says-Matt-Hancock.html

For an MP to come out with that comment live on tv, amazing times! he has literally ended most holiday flight aviation this year!

 

[Len Fish]

Yet in the Daily Mail this morning” The Government's holiday guidance was plunged into chaos today after Grant Shapps said it is for individuals to decide whether to book a foreign trip - despite Matt Hancock insisting summer vacations will not be possible this year.”

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Minister Hancok seemed to be addressing the situation in the coming summer which is almost upon us with his comments about holidays not likely to be possible. He didn't appear to be asked about autumn and early winter.

 

[quik123]

BBC news now suggesting Schengen area could be open on 15th June

 

[paully]

The `Lavish` holidays that was referred to previously, was clearly aimed at the long haul/cruise type market. The biggest player in the UK for that is Tui and they have announced deep problems and possible cut backs this morning. They held out a begging bowl to the German Government last month and got a loan, but has to be paid back by 2022.They are also refusing to pay overseas hoteliers what they owe them, in full.The article I read was behind a pay wall but the gist is, they can`t pay it back so they are looking for some `free money`. In exchange cutting back right across the fields of their endeavours. I can`t help but feel that Tui decided to try to `outdo` Jet2 and in the process fell foul of expensive fault lines like a Cruise fleet and the Mad Max.Just my thoughts of course.

 

[airforced]

You could well be right paully. If so it serves TUI right. No sympathy from me except of course for any staff involved.
But to just go back to Hancock for a moment. He was probably speaking out of turn and expressing his own views and being completely honest. I rarely accuse politicians of being honest by the way.

Many Brits have holidays already booked and with balances yet to pay for holidays that may well not happen they are faced with either cancelling and loosing their deposits or hanging on, paying their balances, only to find that the holiday gets cancelled anyway.

Isn't about time that someone came clean on this question? After all I imagine that those with the facts at their finger tips will already know, a far as they are able, based on the various projections that most certainly will have been made, whether going abroad (lavishly or not) will be a practical proposition this year irrespective of any measures we would be subjected to on our return. The airlines, holiday companies and Govt are hiding behind the FCO guidance, which remains vague and open ended, rather than being clear, one way or another. If they were straight they could always insert a caveat in whatever they said along the lines of saying that if things got considerably better than anticipated the advice could change to cover themselves. Clarity is sadly lacking once again.

 

[paully]

The FCO has ploughed its own course for decades and still does today. Not even Maggie could rein them in at times, and thus is another example of how the Mandarins there run it. You`d have to go back to Tony Crosland or Lord Peter Carrington to find anyone who could stand up to them. Dreadful place to be a politician aparantly. Eventually they will change the advice, of course, but they don`t react quickly. They live in the days of Empire. But broadly I agree..

I`m of the same view as you Airforced re Tui except that we need them to survive. Meeson may be the good guy so far but without serious opposition Ibiza will end up the same price as the carribean.

 

[ls27]

Well it not only the FCO where the mandarins hold sway. After more than 40 years in the public service my experience is that although politicians are elected, many are amateurs at how public matters work, the Civil Service has the knowlege and therefore can control what and how things are done. That was one of the platforms that was given for coming out of the EU, that the none elected people were pulling the strings. This has been happening in this UK for many, many years

 

[Aviador]

Spot on @airforced Clarity is all people are asking for. The government could say this is the plan but it is subject to change depending on how the recovery goes.

As things stand it's like they have their head in the sand whilst people with booked holidays and airlines look on in despair. Give some clarity and holiday makers can decide what to do and airlines can plan for the future.

 

[paully]

I agree with what you mean Aviador, but the elephant in the room is the phrase `Subject to change`. That is the worst case scenario especially for say airline planning. The Government could say we expect to by a certain date..plans go ahead. Airlines spend money on such plans, including accomodation abroad (subject to the usual caveats) then a week before the virus makes it impossible for such plans to go ahead.

At that point we could be back to wash/rinse/spin and repeat. My personal view is that until there is something firmer than we have at present with this wretched virus, then firm dates or clarity whatever you call it need to be avoided, in case of giving false hope, followed by greater agonies. The lesser of evils for sure though.

 

[airforced]

Well it not only the FCO where the mandarins hold sway. After more than 40 years in the public service my experience is that although politicians are elected, many are amateurs at how public matters work, the Civil Service has the knowlege and therefore can control what and how things are done. That was one of the platforms that was given for coming out of the EU, that the none elected people were pulling the strings. This has been happening in this UK for many, many years

Your name ls27 wouldn't be Humphrey by any chance would it? Whatever your real name, you are 100% correct of course.