Leeds Bradford - General Thread

[BCFC]

I`d say miles away...You cannot change the fact that DSA doesn`t have the population an airport needs.

Or the funding in place to spend a lot of money to reopen it or airlines to use it.

I`d say miles away...You cannot change the fact that DSA doesn`t have the population an airport needs.

Look at some of FR’s airports nowhere near the City they claim it is but the fares are cheap…so people use it. I can see someone like them to do an exclusive deal with DSA for the next 10 years that will literally become an FR airport if the can guarantee numbers that's needed to work. Got to admit it's a long runway at sea level…

 

[Bantamzen]

Or the funding in place to spend a lot of money to reopen it or airlines to use it.



Look at some of FR’s airports nowhere near the City they claim it is but the fares are cheap…so people use it. I can see someone like them to do an exclusive deal with DSA for the next 10 years that will literally become an FR airport if the can guarantee numbers that's needed to work. Got to admit it's a long runway at sea level…

Conversely Ryanair will drop an airport in a heartbeat if they sense its not going to fill their craft. Just like they did at, oh I don't know, DSA...

 

[mullion]

I cannot see that happening they have plenty of routes from midlands and Yorkshire so why dilute any bases they have

 

[White Heather]

I cannot see that happening they have plenty of routes from midlands and Yorkshire so why dilute any bases they have

Particularly at an airport where it's largest catchment area has a council that's just announced a ban on advertising of airports and airlines because they are bad for the environment. Hardly likely to encourage airlines in when they can't advertise across the entire Sheffield area...

Perfect timing Sheffield Council!

 

[Len Fish]

Mayor of Doncaster -“The next is appointing an operator and investor who will manage and develop the airport,” she said.

The council says it is confident an operator can be appointed by later this spring.

In February, South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority’s board gave the go-ahead to initial proposals for £138 million of public money to fund the reopening. A vote is expected in the summer to rubber stamp the funding”.-Travel Gossip.

She makes it sound so easy and amazing how taxpayers money can be found under the bed by cash strapped Councils for these risky, prestige projects. Be better off spending the money filling in a few potholes.

 

[Snackbar]

Or the funding in place to spend a lot of money to reopen it or airlines to use it.



Look at some of FR’s airports nowhere near the City they claim it is but the fares are cheap…so people use it. I can see someone like them to do an exclusive deal with DSA for the next 10 years that will literally become an FR airport if the can guarantee numbers that's needed to work. Got to admit it's a long runway at sea level…

I very much doubt FR would go from LBA mainly because somebody else (easyJet) who step straight in at LBA and take on their routes and passengers. Also it would be very naive of an airport to grant exclusivity to an airline especially an airport which has previously failed…..

Just to add I actually think the converse will happen. Expect to see new airlines plus an expansion of current operations from next year once the new arrivals building opens…. This has been a constraint in growth at LBA. An increase in numbers at LBA and other competitor airports to DSA will make it increasingly difficult for the operators at DSA. Airports are a numbers game, the more pxs and airlines you have the more margin you have for out pricing competition……

 

[White Heather]

I very much doubt FR would go from LBA mainly because somebody else (easyJet) who step straight in at LBA and take on their routes and passengers. Also it would be very naive of an airport to grant exclusivity to an airline especially an airport which has previously failed…..

Just to add I actually think the converse will happen. Expect to see new airlines plus an expansion of current operations from next year once the new arrivals building opens…. This has been a constraint in growth at LBA. An increase in numbers at LBA and other competitor airports to DSA will make it increasingly difficult for the operators at DSA. Airports are a numbers game, the more pxs and airlines you have the more margin you have for out pricing competition……

Yes, and any new operator worth their salt will be aware of the challenge posed by the surrounding airports. In particular the current construction at LBA which is likely to be completed before DSA sees any commercial traffic and the endless growth of MAN.. not to mention the ongoing freight growth at EMA..

 

[pug]

Yes, and any new operator worth their salt will be aware of the challenge posed by the surrounding airports. In particular the current construction at LBA which is likely to be completed before DSA sees any commercial traffic and the endless growth of MAN.. not to mention the ongoing freight growth at EMA..

I think for DSA to have any success it would have to calve out its own market with autonomy. It is this reason I have always believed it’s a misplaced ambition.

Whilst LBA and EMA compete with other airports, they have sufficient population density to sustain a reasonably high level of services without impact on other airports. It was not the case for DSA before, and I do wonder if it would be the case under a new operating model. For it to work as planned it will have to take passengers from other airports on a large scale.

 

[Snackbar]

I think for DSA to have any success it would have to calve out its own market with autonomy. It is this reason I have always believed it’s a misplaced ambition.

Whilst LBA and EMA compete with other airports, they have sufficient population density to sustain a reasonably high level of services without impact on other airports. It was not the case for DSA before, and I do wonder if it would be the case under a new operating model. For it to work as planned it will have to take passengers from other airports on a large

It is worth pointing out that it is actually MAN rather the EMA or LBA where DSA will need gain a market from. The actual number using LBA from the SY area is not that significant. The majority of people in SY and in particular Sheffield use MAN as the travel time even across the Snake Pass is comparable or even less then heading to EMA/LBA. Peel even stated in the reasoning for closing DSA that they had been unable to break the hold MAN has across SY. The same travel issue applies for most of West Yorks where even when DSA was open MAN was always preferred to DSA given flight price’s were far more competitive and more choice was available.
I can’t see how any new operator would be able to break the MAN hold, I guess thats why the report EY produced into the viability of the airport only predicted pxs number of 2m pa and that after 10 years of operation!

 

[pug]

It is worth pointing out that it is actually MAN rather the EMA or LBA where DSA will need gain a market from. The actual number using LBA from the SY area is not that significant. The majority of people in SY and in particular Sheffield use MAN as the travel time even across the Snake Pass is comparable or even less then heading to EMA/LBA. Peel even stated in the reasoning for closing DSA that they had been unable to break the hold MAN has across SY. The same travel issue applies for most of West Yorks where even when DSA was open MAN was always preferred to DSA given flight price’s were far more competitive and more choice was available.
I can’t see how any new operator would be able to break the MAN hold, I guess thats why the report EY produced into the viability of the airport only predicted pxs number of 2m pa and that after 10 years of operation!

I don’t think EY produced the report, I think the forecast passenger figures were produced by North Point aviation who have been accused of using questionable methodology in the past. I don’t think any of the currently released predictions mean anything at the moment anyway, because it seems it will rely on how the appointed operator envisage it will look. Will they go for the careful approach of small but sustainable growth, or will they follow the Peel Airports ethos of stack em high sell em cheap?

I agree though, Manchester takes the lions share of SY passengers, but how many extra passengers could be generated if for arguments sake easyjet decide that DSA would be a great place to invest in a based operation and put 3 aircraft in there? If it could attract passengers from WY and the East Midlands along with EY and SY then it might pay off, so long as it doesn’t impact their Manchester base.

 

[Snackbar]

I don’t think EY produced the report, I think the forecast passenger figures were produced by North Point aviation who have been accused of using questionable methodology in the past. I don’t think any of the currently released predictions mean anything at the moment anyway, because it seems it will rely on how the appointed operator envisage it will look. Will they go for the careful approach of small but sustainable growth, or will they follow the Peel Airports ethos of stack em high sell em cheap?

I agree though, Manchester takes the lions share of SY passengers, but how many extra passengers could be generated if for arguments sake easyjet decide that DSA would be a great place to invest in a based operation and put 3 aircraft in there? If it could attract passengers from WY and the East Midlands along with EY and SY then it might pay off, so long as it doesn’t impact their Manchester base.

I very much doubt EasyJet will be going there….. DSA ops will have to look elsewhere but suspect they will find there is nowhere else to look in respect of UK. or Eire based operators!

 

[airforced]

What is this to do with LBA? There is a DSA thread for this type of chat and opinion. Go there.

 

[Aviador]

What is this to do with LBA? There is a DSA thread for this type of chat and opinion. Go there.

I agree and it's an entire forum actually.

 

[SierraHotel]

Investigation finds Leeds Bradford Airport breaching night time flying rules by 550

A limit on the number of night-time flights allowed at Leeds Bradford Airport was breached last year, an investigation has found.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

 

[nick]

Thought i would share this video of Wizz landing at Leeds on Saturday. quite dramatic.

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Thought i would share this video of Wizz landing at Leeds on Saturday. quite dramatic.

Already posted here - (https://forums4airports.com/threads/53/post-282715)

But better, if both had been posted in the Leeds Bradford Airport > Video Thread (https://forums4airports.com/threads/1052/page-7). That way, the forum is more easily searchable and avoids duplicate posts.

 

[lbaspotter]

Thought i would share this video of Wizz landing at Leeds on Saturday. quite dramatic.

Thanks for sharing Nick, well done with the camera & commentary you did on Saturdays live feed in the very challenging weather conditions.

 

[White Heather]

The YEP are running an on line survey, asking people if they would recommend flying from LBA. No doubt they are hoping for a negative outcome. No doubt it will bring about all the usual vitriol and negativity. I'm hoping that the members on here will give a positive response and ensure the YEP dont get the negative story they will be hoping for.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

The YEP are running an on line survey, asking people if they would recommend flying from LBA. No doubt they are hoping for a negative outcome. No doubt it will bring about all the usual vitriol and negativity. I'm hoping that the members on here will give a positive response and ensure the YEP dont get the negative story they will be hoping for.

Any chance of a link please?

 

[White Heather]

Any chance of a link please?

Sorry no. It's on the YEP Facebook pages which I can't post the link for. It's easy enough to find. Just Google YEP Leeds, scroll to the YEP Leeds Facebook page and it's in there.