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[TheLocalYokel]

Torino : Ryanair chiude Fez, apre ski stagionale su Bristol

E’ durato giusto un anno il volo Torino – Fez di Ryanair. Secondo FlyTorino non ha avuto risultati per essere riconfermato. Allo stesso tempo sempre FlyTorino annuncia l’arrivo di un collegam…

italiavola.com

Looks like Ryanair will be launching a new winter route to Turin. Nothing on sale yet but Bristol is on the drop down menu on the desktop site. ( my Italian not good sadly )

Turin is in the Ryanair booking engine with no dates yet shown. No doubt it will be yet another ski season route competing against easyJet to go with Sofia and Grenoble in recent ski seasons, plus charter flights to TRN in the ski season. What was the last route announced by Ryanair at BRS, whether ski season or otherwise, that did not compete with easyJet? Seville and Milan MXP are certainly two others although Ryanair might have got in first with MXP. I think it was Shannon with Cologne the one before that.

 

[Marko1]

They certainly are copying easyjet on many routes though some more obvious ones such as Barcelona , Berlin , Madrid and Rome are left to easyJet alone. The only one in reverse was mxp which I think Ryanair launches first

 

[Jerry]

They certainly are copying easyjet on many routes though some more obvious ones such as Barcelona , Berlin , Madrid and Rome are left to easyJet alone. The only one in reverse was mxp which I think Ryanair launches first

Well hopefully it'll stay that way and they'll launch a few of those routes from Cardiff and Exeter instead!

 

[TheLocalYokel]

They certainly are copying easyjet on many routes though some more obvious ones such as Barcelona , Berlin , Madrid and Rome are left to easyJet alone. The only one in reverse was mxp which I think Ryanair launches first

Apart from the sun routes they also go head to head on Krakow and Venice MP, both year-round. In fact, Ryanair switched its long-standing 'Venice' route from Treviso as soon as easyJet returned to the BRS-Venice MP route after an absence of several years. Except for Stansted and Southend all other Ryanair UK- 'Venice' routes are to Treviso (Southend is switching from MP to Treviso this autumn).

Well hopefully it'll stay that way and they'll launch a few of those routes from Cardiff and Exeter instead!

Which begs the question why didn't they put their new BRS ski routes that all compete with easyJet into one or both of those airports instead?

 

[Jerry]

Which begs the question why didn't they put their new BRS ski routes that all compete with easyJet into one or both of those airports instead?

I can only guess that they don't believe that they would work from Cardiff or Exeter. Routes like Turin, Grenoble and Sofia are most likely to niche for airports like Cardiff and Exeter and will only work from the bigger airport that Bristol is. Routes like Barcelona and Rome stand a better chance Berlin and Madrid less so and it could be on them Ryanair feel there wouldn't be enough demand to compete withEasyjet and get good yields.

 

[Ice-tongs]

Torino : Ryanair chiude Fez, apre ski stagionale su Bristol

E’ durato giusto un anno il volo Torino – Fez di Ryanair. Secondo FlyTorino non ha avuto risultati per essere riconfermato. Allo stesso tempo sempre FlyTorino annuncia l’arrivo di un collegam…

italiavola.com

Looks like Ryanair will be launching a new winter route to Turin. Nothing on sale yet but Bristol is on the drop down menu on the desktop site. ( my Italian not good sadly )

Confirmed today, weekly flights start in December to March

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Confirmed today, weekly flights start in December to March

Many thanks Ice-tongs.

Ryanair Launches New Bristol Ski Route To Turin – Ryanair's Corporate Website

corporate.ryanair.com

 

[superking]

Im sure FR did Turin as a ski route before,and was operated not long after the base was opened. Im sure it lasted 2 seasons before it was dropped.Im sure some one can confirm this.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Im sure FR did Turin as a ski route before,and was operated not long after the base was opened. Im sure it lasted 2 seasons before it was dropped.Im sure some one can confirm this.

Correct. When the BRS base opened in autumn 2007 Turin was amongst the flights operated that winter. It lasted for three winters. Salzburg was also in the first group of winter flights but lasted just one winter. Grenoble was tried the following winter but then dropped.

Both Grenoble and Turin are now being brought back to compete with easyJet in the ski eason. Salzburg has been operated by easyJet for many years in the ski season. I wonder if that route will be the next one brought back by Ryanair. There are also weekly ski season charter flights to Turin and Salzburg.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I'm really surprised at Ryanair going head to head in the ski market. They seem an airline that seems to have removed themselves from that market during the winter season only offering a few routes from the likes of STN and DUB. To expand into the regional UK-Ski market is brave, especially against the No1 in that market easyJet. I just hope, for the sakes of the passengers, both can compete in harmony.

Whats also hypocritical is MOL is all doom & gloom about Brexit - here is his airline starting a route post Brexit (we hope).

 

[Jerry]

Whats also hypocritical is MOL is all doom & gloom about Brexit - here is his airline starting a route post Brexit (we hope).

I honestly think we have to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
As for Bristol a lot of their route expansion seems to be to making sure Easyjet doesn't have many new routes all to itself.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I'm really surprised at Ryanair going head to head in the ski market. They seem an airline that seems to have removed themselves from that market during the winter season only offering a few routes from the likes of STN and DUB. To expand into the regional UK-Ski market is brave, especially against the No1 in that market easyJet. I just hope, for the sakes of the passengers, both can compete in harmony.

Whats also hypocritical is MOL is all doom & gloom about Brexit - here is his airline starting a route post Brexit (we hope).

Ryanair also goes head to head with easyJet to Sofia in the ski season. In fact, in recent years a number of Ryanair's new BRS routes have mirrored routes operated by easyJet: Venice MP, Milan MXP, Seville. They also compete on all the major sun routes and Krakow.

BRS has a particularly strong ski market and has had for many, many years and is busier in that market than some larger airports.

This was the programme for last winter:

Ski Season 2018-2019 - weekly charters

Saturdays

Chambery TUI B 738
Salzburg TUI B 757
Geneva Thomas Cook A 321
Geneva TUI B 757
Innsbruck Austrian A 320
Verona TUI B 757
Sofia Enter Air B 738
Innsbruck Austrian A 319

Sundays

Turin TUI B 757
Chambery Enter Air B 738
Lleida Flybe E175

Total 11: Chambery 2, Geneva 2, Innsbruck 2, Verona 1, Sofia 1, Salzburg 1 Turin 1 and Lleida 1.

In addition easyJet continues to operate weekly to Kittila - on Sundays for a tour operator with flights not shown on the easyJet booking engine.

As usual there are numerous scheduled flights to airports that are either primarily ski destinations in winter or give access to ski holidays, viz:

easyJet: Geneva 22 x weekly; Barcelona 10 x weekly; Venice MP 7 x weekly; Toulouse 4 x weekly; Basel 3 x weekly; Grenoble 3 x weekly; Vienna 2 x weekly; Pisa 2 x weekly; Innsbruck 2 x weekly; Salzburg 2 x weekly; Lyon weekly; Turin weekly; Sofia weekly; Ostersund weekly
Total 61

Ryanair: Venice MP 5 x weekly; Bergamo 3 x weekly; Bucharest 2 x weekly; Sofia weekly

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I honestly think we have to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
As for Bristol a lot of their route expansion seems to be to making sure Easyjet doesn't have many new routes all to itself.

I always take what that prat says with a pinch of salt.

Very comprehensive look at BRS Ski programme there @TheLocalYokel. Impressive for a local regional airport. What i was getting at is, the ski market is very notorious for delivering a 90% load factor one week, then 45% the next. Ryanair don't strike me as an airline which is willing to be happy with that, especially when they have a competitor too. Competing on sun routes is fine - they are trunk route, if you will, that deliver volume.

We shall see what happens - i hope its good news for both airlines and the airports.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I always take what that prat says with a pinch of salt.

Very comprehensive look at BRS Ski programme there @TheLocalYokel. Impressive for a local regional airport. What i was getting at is, the ski market is very notorious for delivering a 90% load factor one week, then 45% the next. Ryanair don't strike me as an airline which is willing to be happy with that, especially when they have a competitor too. Competing on sun routes is fine - they are trunk route, if you will, that deliver volume.

We shall see what happens - i hope its good news for both airlines and the airports.

Ryanair has some experience going head to head with easyJet at BRS and after 12 years as a base (a limited number of destinations were operated pre-base) probably has a good idea of what is likely to work which almost certainly wasn't the case in the early days of the base when several routes were commenced and fairly quickly ended.

Last year Ryanair and easyJet started Sofia routes in the ski season which are both back in the coming season, so presumably both airlines were encouraged by the respective yields and this might have been the reason why Grenoble and Turin were added by Ryanair for the coming winter ski season despite easyJet and charter presence.

Apart from the main sun routes (Costas, Balearics, Canaries, Faro) and the ski season routes, Ryanair also competes with easyJet on routes year-round to:
Venice MP (combined weekly total 9 in summer and 7/8 in winter)
Krakow (7 in summer and 9 in winter)
Seville (6 in summer and 5 in winter)
Milan MXP (7 in summer and 5 in winter) - Ryanair also operates to Bergamo 3 x weekly year-round

Why Ryanair seems to be adding new routes at BRS that compete with easyJet rather than bringing in routes that don't compete isn't clear. The last two they introduced that were not operated by easyJet (or by anyone else for that matter) were Shannon (summer-only) and Cologne Bonn.

Whether Jerry's suggested reason (#772) is correct I don't know. If it is it seems unlikely that Ryanair would commence routes in order to stop easyJet having a free rein if such routes were likely to be loss-making. There are examples in the past where Ryanair has axed BRS routes that enjoyed extremely high load factors each season and in some cases year-round, presumably because the yield was not up to scratch.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

There might be members who don't read other airport forums on F4A so I will mention a post on the CWL Ryanair thread today suggesting there will be Ryanair cuts at BRS and an aircraft might be moved to CWL and be based there with crews. Two of the routes served by Ryanair to CWL are from bases that will be closed (Faro and Tenerife South).

Interesting scenario if it comes about which makes the Grenoble and Turin start-ups this coming ski season against easyJet and charter flights even more eyebrow-raising.

 

[Marko1]

Then brs should go and entice jet2 in maybe

 

[BRSregular]

Or get Wizz to expand. They’re already at BRS, albeit only just!

 

[superking]

Cant see FR opening a base when they are cutting back at bigger bases and some bases to be closed.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Because of the number of flights it operates from other bases (equivalent to a 3-aircraft base at BRS) Ryanair helps to spread the load at BRS across the day slightly more evenly and, just as important, operates its non-based aircraft generally outside BRS's night-time movements and noise quota restriction period.

If some of those non-based aircraft flights were simply withdrawn then that particular situation would not change (although there would be fewer flights), but if some of the non-based flights were switched to based aircraft with no compensating reduction of other based-aircraft flights it could well mean an additional based aircraft (number 5) and the operational situation I mentioned in the previous paragraph would be lost.

I don't know where the poster in the CWL thread heard that BRS would suffer Ryanair cuts or how reliable the source is who provided the 'information' seen by our member.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Ryanair was successful today in the Irish High Court in having the proposed Irish pilots' strike stopped - it was planned for tomorrow and Friday.

A similar attempt in the UK High today in respect of Ryanair's UK Balpa pilots failed. However, Ryanair is confident that it has enough pilots to run a full service, albeit there might be some 'small' delays.

So far there are no BRS Ryanair cancellations shown for tomorrow.