Pakistan International Airlines

[The Pole]

This is a good sight, but can not confirm which aircraft it is as a few of them are not providing the data. Click the aircraft. Suspect its AP-BEU as there is no data for that A310 yet and doubt its a 747 as one of their data will not load up

http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/paki ... lines-pia/

 

[The Pole]

Its AP-BEQ an A310

 

[LeedsPilot]

Ah well... We weren't expecting the triple 7 until Wednesday at the earliest anyway

 

[Jordan-34092]

Todays flight:

18:05 ISLAMABAD PK775 LANDED 20:11

19:30 ISLAMABAD PK776 DEPARTED 21:55

Big delay today in the flight hope this doesn't have the local neighbors of the area complaining about the noise because it could mean that PIA might decide that is it and pull out, last thing the airport needs at this moment.

 

[White Heather]

The departure was well within the deadline for that type of aircraft, so the neighbours have nothing at all to complain about. Even if they did, PIA will not have any concerns about it - it is LBA that is breaching the (silly) planning limitations that ban aircraft such as the A310 after 11pm, simply because it is a few decibels louder than other Chapter 3 aircraft types. Having just rescued the PIA service, LBA management are unlikely to start complaining to the airline now even if they do leave late, particularly when they are seeking to get the 777 on the service, which will not, in any case, be subject to these noise limits.

To be fair, the service has been operating pretty much on time in recent weeks and there has been very few serious delays this year.

 

[lbaspotter]

Todays flight:

18:05 ISLAMABAD PK775 LANDED 20:11

19:30 ISLAMABAD PK776 DEPARTED 21:55

Big delay today in the flight hope this doesn't have the local neighbors of the area complaining about the noise because it could mean that PIA might decide that is it and pull out, last thing the airport needs at this moment.

Hi

As stated in some of the earlier messages posted on here yesterday afternoon by other forum members the delay was due to the original planned (PIA) Airbus A310 aircraft going tech at the last minute in Islamabad.
So PIA had to wait 2 hours before they could get a replacement aircraft in place to operate the flight yesterday evening on a revised flight plan. The airport authority was also made aware off the delay in advance.

As White Heather has pointed out the outbound PIA776 service was in the air by 21:50, so it wouldn’t have caused any problems regarding the noise issues from the local Nimbys as the curfew dose not come into force until 23:00hrs.

 

[Aviador]

"Nimby"

Is that the new term for Leeds City Council.

 

[lbaspotter]

"Nimby"

Is that the new term for Leeds City Council.

Without me getting in trouble maybe! I let you be the judge of that one....

 

[Jordan-34092]

Todays flight:

18:05 ISLAMABAD PK775 LANDED 20:11

19:30 ISLAMABAD PK776 DEPARTED 21:55

Big delay today in the flight hope this doesn't have the local neighbors of the area complaining about the noise because it could mean that PIA might decide that is it and pull out, last thing the airport needs at this moment.

Hi

As stated in some of the earlier messages posted on here yesterday afternoon by other forum members the delay was due to the original planned (PIA) Airbus A310 aircraft going tech at the last minute in Islamabad.
So PIA had to wait 2 hours before they could get a replacement aircraft in place to operate the flight yesterday evening on a revised flight plan. The airport authority was also made aware off the delay in advance.

As White Heather has pointed out the outbound PIA776 service was in the air by 21:50, so it wouldn’t have caused any problems regarding the noise issues from the local Nimbys as the curfew dose not come into force until 23:00hrs.

Firstly, not meaning in a augmentative or attitude problem way, i knew the PIA service was delayed due to a delayed aircraft and secondly im only concerned for the service it just end of day you do get people who move into the area and complain about the noise of aircraft.

Also the PIA flight for Wednesday 20th July 2011 are scheduled to be operated by an Airbus A310, This information has been displayed on the flight status site.....

http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightSta ... &x=22&y=10

This link, fingers crossed, should take you directly to the information regarding the flight.

At the time of me checking this, that is the information displayed so it doesn't look like the B777 is coming this week, next week hopefully, but this information can change at anytime.

Just thought i give you the update on what is scheduled.

 

[Aviador]

Having now had conversations with various people who you would think should know. It would seem more and more likely that it's going to be November at the very earliest before we see the Boeing 777 at Leeds. That is if PIA still intend to bring the 777 in at all?

Without wanting to come across in a negative way, perhaps realistic is my preferred way of calling it, it is now my personal belief that it is PIA themselves that are holding this one up.

I'm not going to go as far as to say it wont happen or that "I'm going to run down Briggate stark naked if the Boeing 777 actually makes an appearance", but I no longer believe the airline intend to upgrade the aircraft to a Boeing 777. Whether this means they are going to consider an alternative aircraft or pull the route altogether I just don't know, but I don't think it's going to happen.

Realistically we have to consider what the implications are going to be on the airlines operations across the Pennines. Whether we like it or not the airlines operations across at Manchester will come into question when PIA decide the fate of their LBA operations.

On a more positive note I think it is fair to say that Leeds Bradford could claw back a sizable amount of passengers that originate from this side of the Pennines that currently use to Manchester to fly to Islamabad. The question PIA will be asking is which airport is going to be most profitable?

If the airlines decides the only way forward is to operate from just one of it's northern bases, would the airline make more or less money operating from Leeds Bradford airport?

Whether we like it or not, the almost certain inability of the Boeing 777 to use CAT 3 ILS at Leeds Bradford airport will inevitably lead to more diverts and associated costs. The potential for a restricted take-off weight during bad weather periods or hot summer days will also be added to the equation.

All things considered, I am doubtful that PIA will be able to make Leeds a more successful operation than that already across the Pennines. I can't really see how the current set up of operating into Leeds Bradford solely on a good will basis with the airlines main operation into Manchester can continue into the future.

Like everybody else on here, I am very eager to see PIA upgrade the Leeds operation and become hugely successful. The delays in making this come to fruition only adds to my doubts that this will ever happen.

 

[White Heather]

Heck that is a depressing thought Aviador. For once, I hope you are wrong!! If you are correct then it would represent a remarkable about turn by the airline who only a few weeks ago went to the press to confirm they were staying and would be developing their services from LBA.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Heck that is a depressing thought Aviador

What is Heather? Aviador refusing to offer to run down Briggate stark naked? :shok:

 

[michael]

I haven't posted this thought before but amongst all the rumour and hopes posted here recently my one personal opinion is that for all that PIA may or may not be they are not going to suddenly 'appear' with a 777 without at least some notice to the authorities at LBA. It would be good for them to come with one on a test run to at least prove the possibility of the option of a 777 but even for a test run some notice is going to be required and my impression is that so far only rumours have been circulating. They have a 777 in MAN regularly so would it not make more sense to bring one them in on a test run? The only 'apparently' firm news was the U turn on the route and since then nothing that I would call firm. It's a shame they don't have a 767 or A330 that could take over from the A310, if they're still flying in to LBA when the 310's go it'll be interesting to see what replaces them - to me they'd be narrowing their options somewhat with just 777's, 747's and 737's. I too only hope Aviador isn't proved correct. :dunno:

 

[Jordan-34092]

Very interesting Micheal.

Regarding the notice to the airport well notice has been sent to LBA management as far as everyone is aware and they do know when it is due to arrive but have, well personally i think they have, decided not to tell the public just in-case everyone decides to rush up to the airport and see it, as it is a rare sight or will be a rare sight. The people who they are more likely to tell is the media but will inform them not to print anything or report anything until the aircraft has been. Another thing is that servisair have ordered a new push bar, or perhaps leased one, that is able to push the 777 back, as the other one's at the airport are un-able to do this, they have also ordered the pods for the 777 and these have been put in storage at the airport. As far as people are aware those who have spoken to people who work for servisair have been told that the 777 is due in at the end of July this is the reason why people are looking forward to the 777 arriving.

 

[The Pole]

WILL IT OR WONT IT....be a 777 today?

 

[lbaspotter]

WILL IT OR WONT IT....be a 777 today?

Is'nt that like the 100 million Dollar question we all want to know??

 

[michael]

It's an A310, AP BEB

 

[The Pole]

It's an A310, AP BEB

Just looked on Flightradar

 

[White Heather]

Agreed - it has just passed over the Lincolnshire coast, just North of The Wash. Maybe next time!!

 

[lbaspotter]

Well Wednesday, July 27th was the first date that did the rounds when the rumors originally surfaced a couple of weeks ago regarding the appearance of the B777 at LBA.

So we will just have to wait and see what happens next week... Hopefully Aviador will be proven wrong and he will have to go running through Leeds city centre....