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[Aviador]

Perhaps hardly surprising given the significant increase in flights being offered by Jet2Holidays and flight only with Ryanair.

Who I might add offer a far superior service from LBA.

 

[lbaspotter]

Been told that the planned Sunday non based Malaga flight for Thomson Holidays this summer 2017 season maybe getting operated by Spanish based charter airline Albastar At the moment the booking engine is still showing Airline TBA (To be announced) so it could change.

TBA0000 = AGP 12:30 – LBA 14:40 / TBA0000 = LBA 16:10 – AGP 20:15

Now currently Albastar Airlines operates a fleet of 4x older Classic Boeing 737-400's but it now also has a newer Boeing 737-800NG on order and have last year operated flights for Thomson Holidays out of Birmingham Airport.

 

[Jerry]

Been told that the planned Sunday non based Malaga flight for Thomson Holidays this summer 2017 season maybe getting operated by Spanish based charter airline Albastar At the moment the booking engine is still showing Airline TBA (To be announced) so it could change.

TBA0000 = AGP 12:30 – LBA 14:40 / TBA0000 = LBA 16:10 – AGP 20:15

Now currently Albastar Airlines operates a fleet of 4x older Classic Boeing 737-400's but it now also has a newer Boeing 737-800NG on order and have last year operated flights for Thomson Holidays out of Birmingham Airport.

They are doing flights from PMI to CWL for Thomson during the summer so Leeds also makes sense.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Anyone following the HM coroners hearing into the Tunisia terrorist attack must have a deep worry about booking ever again with Thomsons.
It seems knowing of possible attacks they removed holidays from the german market and heavily discounted them in the u.k. market, without any warnings of the terrorist information they held.
In addition even when detailed information on an attack received they still took no action to protect guests.
The British Embassy will also not emerge unscathed.
The Coroners report will make grim reading for Thomsons.

 

[Seasider]

I have been on the Thomson website and done a search for holidays/flights to Majorca and they are coming up as operating on Tue/Sun, what happened to the Wed/Thu/Sat flights? Are they still operating?

 

[Aviador]

Anyone following the HM coroners hearing into the Tunisia terrorist attack must have a deep worry about booking ever again with Thomsons.
It seems knowing of possible attacks they removed holidays from the german market and heavily discounted them in the u.k. market, without any warnings of the terrorist information they held.
In addition even when detailed information on an attack received they still took no action to protect guests.
The British Embassy will also not emerge unscathed.
The Coroners report will make grim reading for Thomsons.

It is my personal belief that nothing more could have been done to prevent the Tunisian Terrorist attack. Unfortunately there are associated risks with travelling in the UK or overseas. I do believe people should accept a certain amount of responsibility particularly when travelling abroad. Back in 2000 when a Leeds United fan was stabbed in Turkey by a Galatasaray supporter I was booked onto a flight to Turkey. I was travelling alone and I decided at the time that it wasn't safe enough to travel so I changed my booking and went to Barcelona instead. I am sure I would have been completely fine travelling to Turkey but I made the decision based on the information available at the time. Today thousands of British tourists visit Marrakesh each year but despite wanting to go there, I choose not to travel there because of the risk of terrorism. I make a choice not to travel to London or the Manchester Trafford Centre for similar reasons. There are of course risks in everything we do and if you want to travel you have to accept a degree of risk.

 

[752]

I have been on the Thomson website and done a search for holidays/flights to Majorca and they are coming up as operating on Tue/Sun, what happened to the Wed/Thu/Sat flights? Are they still operating?

Just having a browse in August and TUE, WED, THU, SAT & SUN all coming up! hopefully was just a glitch for you Seasider.

Thomson Sunday AGP still TBC!

 

[Tarn Spotter]

It is my personal belief that nothing more could have been done to prevent the Tunisian Terrorist attack

The Tunisian Interior Ministry received an alert in May 2016 of an imminent attack on Sousse (confirmed in the inquest evidence). It was suggested security stepped up at all holiday hotels in the region, something that did not happen.
Evidence suggests that the security service in fact slowed down on the way to the hotel once the attack underway.
We had already had the Bardo museum attack where 20 died. Yesterday a customer giving evidence stated he asked his travel agent if safe to go the Sousse after this event, he was advised that security stepped up and there were no issues.
I accept I would not have gone through with my booking in the same situation, but I plan and book my own holidays, these people relied on Thomsons for guidence.
At the time of this booking Thomsons had removed Sousse holidays from the German market due to the Bardo attack and released on the u.k. market at a heavy discount.
The Coroner will obviously give his views when the inquest concludes, i doubt he will uphold your view nothing could have been done to prevent this attack.

 

[Aviador]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had the Tunisian military flooded the resort of Sousse the gunman could have just attacked a different resort. The only difference is we'd be having the same discussion about a different resort.

 

[airforced]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?

Unless there is specific FO advice to the contrary everyone should make their own mind up about the advisability of travel to a particular destination based on their own criteria rather than 'following the herd'. Very few do so however so it is a bit rich moaning and groaning, after the event, and blaming all and sundry for whatever mishaps and woes befall them when visiting an iffy destination.

Jet2, if I remember rightly, were rounded on for cancelling holidays and flights to some African and Turkish destinations very early not too many years ago while other tour operators kept sending holidaymakers to those same destinations. To my mind if there is a sniff of trouble it is always best to avoid those dodgy destinations despite what some may say to you. It seems that Jet2, for whatever reason, look at these things differently than Thomson el al, and well done to them but I still advocate each individual making their own mind up.

Terrorism is something we are all seem to be accepting is now part of everyday life so our own 'gut feelings' will become more important as time progresses and I for one hope that I get it right more often than not. Inshallah as they say in certain foreign lands

 

[SNOWMAN]

hi all
have just been looking to book a thomsons holls in fuengirola flying to malaga
sun 11 june from LBA £987 per person useing monarch dep 08-00
------------------- don £734 ------------ ------- thom --- 07-00
thurs 8 june -----LBA £844 -------------------- monarch --- 08 00
-------------------don £734 -------------------- thom ---- 0700
no prizes where i will book from
regards
sm1

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had the Tunisian military flooded the resort of Sousse the gunman could have just attacked a different resort. The only difference is we'd be having the same discussion about a different resort.

Any company offering a service has a duty to access risk and protect its customers, there was a national security alert on a possible attack on the Sousse resort and Thomsons stated they had increased customer protection in this area, facts show they took no action and exposed their customers to a dreadful outcome.
The Coroner will decide if criminal proceedings against Thomsons will take place and if he has a recomendations as to measures that should have been in place.
If Thomsons had put any security measures in place we would not be having this discussion, thats the big difference.

 

[White Heather]

hi all
have just been looking to book a thomsons holls in fuengirola flying to malaga
sun 11 june from LBA £987 per person useing monarch dep 08-00
------------------- don £734 ------------ ------- thom --- 07-00
thurs 8 june -----LBA £844 -------------------- monarch --- 08 00
-------------------don £734 -------------------- thom ---- 0700
no prizes where i will book from
regards
sm1

No prizes either for guessing which flights are booking up fastest - hence the higher charges. Supply and Demand again.

 

[Aviador]

I'm not disputing whether or not

Any company offering a service has a duty to access risk and protect its customers, there was a national security alert on a possible attack on the Sousse resort and Thomsons stated they had increased customer protection in this area, facts show they took no action and exposed their customers to a dreadful outcome.
The Coroner will decide if criminal proceedings against Thomsons will take place and if he has a recomendations as to measures that should have been in place.
If Thomsons had put any security measures in place we would not be having this discussion, thats the big difference.

I'm not disputing whether or not tour operators should have some duty of care. The case where two young children were killed by carbon monoxide poisoning was clearly a failing on the tour operators behalf to ensure the accommodation was safe.

When you leave the property you are staying in then the duty is surely passed to you? Furthermore, surely you can't expect a hotel to mitigate the potential of a terror event? The UK Foreign Office advice for Tunisia at the time said the threat level was high, but it is here in the UK too. Would you expect train operators to present you with a terror threat level each time you purchase a rail ticket to Leeds?

Like I said hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

I dont think any of the victims were outside the boundry of the hotel, the beach was part of the hotel complex, so they had not left the property.
There was no foriegn office advise not to travel to the coastal beach resorts of Tunisia prior to June 2015, this article m by Simon calder the well known travel expert published in March 2015
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...now-to-be-travelling-to-tunisia-10128872.html
With hindsight its easy to say they should not have travelled at the time the terrorist level in March 2015 for Tunisa was paired with Spain on the FO website. I am sure everyone seeing it paired with Spain would have assumed little risk.
Actually at the height of the IRA attacks we were warned off travel on certain routes and in fact in my time working in London and Belfast many times the bus/underground would stop as deemed to dangerous to proceed.
Yet the only times I had direct experience of attacks were when our office windows blown out in belfast, we were told to remain in the office as the IRA had given a bomb warning. We had all had huge training in what to do in this situation and security on hand, the people in Sousse had no one to tell them what to do or protect them.
Hardly a day passes in the u.k. without a course on the implications of a terrorist attack on business in the u.k. and the protection of staff and customers, its vital businesses are ready. This hotel was not ready.

 

[lbaspotter]

Hi all

Thomson Hoildays have now allocated an airline to operate the Sunday Malaga service which was previoulsy showing "Airline to be confirmed". They will be taking a seat allocation on Monarch Airlines schedule Sunday Malaga service as they have failed to find an charter operator with a spare aircraft to operate the service..

 

[a300boy]

So even less variety of aircraft then ! pretty boring this summer but at least busier !
However we have lost quite a bit though 3 Cork flights,5 Belfast Harbour flights plus 7 Amsterdam flights per week too.

 

[mdobuk21]

Very disappointing, was hoping for Norwegian or Alba Star, back to the mundane Ryanair, jet2, monarch.

 

[a300boy]

Its going to be hardly worth looking out of my window this summer !
Oops a Global Express 9H-VJT has just landed.
Maybe I need to get more interested in Biz Jets.
I also cannot help thinking Leeds has slid down Thomsons priority list.

 

[SNOWMAN]

morning 300boy
has LBA ever been on thomsons priority list???
hope you are keep well
sm1