TUI Airways

[Jerry]

The question would be where would they go if they had 2 aircraft? TUI really need to hit the fine balance of competing with Jet2 on good routes with Volume (Palma, Tenerife and Turkey) whilst also offering something different - Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia.

CWL used to be 2 aircraft base and obviously things will be different for any potential Leeds base but this is what they operated from CWL when it was 2 aircraft.
7 weekly
Mallorca (1 was a non based flight by Eurowings)
3 weekly
Dalaman (1 was a non based flight by Freebird)
Ibiza
2 weekly
Alicante
Malaga
Menorca
Tenerife (1 was a non based flight by Norwegian)
1 weekly
Antalya (non based flight by Freebird)
Corfu
Faro
Gran Canaria
Heraklion
Keffalonia
Kos
Larnaca
Paphos
Reus
Rhodes
Zante

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Not to sound like a pretentious stuck up snob but if TUI do that from CWL which has a less affluent catchment area, there is huge potential from LBA.

 

[Jerry]

Not to sound like a pretentious stuck up snob but if TUI do that from CWL which has a less affluent catchment area, there is huge potential from LBA.

Well since then they've gone to 3 added Hurghada, Dubrovnik, Enfidha and Naples though sadly Hurghada and Naples have been dropped but other routes have gone 2 to 3 weekly in their stead. It all depends on how important TUI see being able to offer a Yorkshire departure option to their customers.

 

[White Heather]

Not to sound like a pretentious stuck up snob but if TUI do that from CWL which has a less affluent catchment area, there is huge potential from LBA.

Except of course TUi have CWL pretty much to themselves, the nearest Jet2 base being over the bridge in Bristol. But there's still a lot of folk use TUi by choice and who don't want to trek to MAN, EMA or NCL every time . If TUi don't treat it's Yorkshire customers right, the winners will be Jet2 who will have a monopoly as far as package tours are concerned East of the Pennines. TUi would be crazy to allow that to happen.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Except of course TUi have CWL pretty much to themselves, the nearest Jet2 base being over the bridge in Bristol. But there's still a lot of folk use TUi by choice and who don't want to trek to MAN, EMA or NCL every time . If TUi don't treat it's Yorkshire customers right, the winners will be Jet2 who will have a monopoly as far as package tours are concerned East of the Pennines. TUi would be crazy to allow that to happen.

Danger to duplicating posts, I'll quote myself

"To ignore Yorkshire after doing so in 2003, when there is a prime opportunity now, would be detriment to themselves"

 

[airforced]

On the contrary, such reports plus an emphasised need to look after their displaced Doncaster passengers could well be the impetus required to improve their customer experience. And, of course, TUI are now up against their biggest rival in the shape of Jet2, making it even more important to look after them.

I somehow think that this sort of detail, however important, will escape the bean counters at TUI Towers.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

It's all fine and dandy saying they need to look after customers. However TUI are only as good as the choice of staff at the ground handlers that day. Swissport at Leeds can be very hit and miss, the reason or part of the reason they never really had much complaints about Doncaster was, on the whole pretty much the same staff. If you had a permanent passenger agent who knew regular fliers it made for a better customer experience.

Not only that it depends on crew. Again some very local Doncaster crew who probably recognised the regular flyers and therefore give exceptional service. On LBA flights this could get very hit & miss on TUI metal as they'll be doing a W pattern, meaning their day starts way earlier or even the day before.

 

[White Heather]

The use of foreign based aircraft such as Freebird lessens the risk of diverts at least as we are not dealing with TUi crews who are Manchester based finding an operational excuse to go there instead if here. Nothing to be gained for these pilots by diverting - in fact, the opposite, as they will be late home!
Of course, LBA is always likely to be a victim of the dreaded consolidation, and TUi are masters of that.

 

[Finger66]

Anyone else seen the TUI EMA thread? Think that probably shows where they are expecting their DSA pax to be displaced to! Of course we can argue that LBA doesn’t currently have capacity to accommodate a base of more than one a/c but that decision can surely only be to the benefit of the incumbent carriers at LBA who will surely pick up some (admittedly not all) of the slack

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

2/3 aircraft displaced into EMA.

@Finger66 if you also check the BRS thread out, sure it’s this forum not another one, they’ve canned Bodrum. And reduced long haul. To me that could indicate a re shuffle of the deck in Bristol and potential displacement of a further 737-800.

So there’s hope yet.

 

[Finger66]

Perhaps TUI can’t even compete against Jet2 at BRS, let alone LBA. Or is it that they don’t want to!

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Perhaps TUI can’t even compete against Jet2 at BRS, let alone LBA. Or is it that they don’t want to!

Could it be the 787 is used as a high capacity increase on routes? Palma, Turkey and Canaries? This to compete with Jet2.

TUI doesn’t have fleet on order to go hell for leather. We have to remember at BRS like LBA they are nearly full.

I would say TUI can’t get the balance right. They need a decent order of aircraft for expansion to compete against Jet2. The trouble with TUI is the “old fashioned” mindset that on Fridays Tenerife is changeover day.

 

[Jerry]

Could it be the 787 is used as a high capacity increase on routes? Palma, Turkey and Canaries? This to compete with Jet2.

TUI doesn’t have fleet on order to go hell for leather. We have to remember at BRS like LBA they are nearly full.

I would say TUI can’t get the balance right. They need a decent order of aircraft for expansion to compete against Jet2. The trouble with TUI is the “old fashioned” mindset that on Fridays Tenerife is changeover day.

TUI though don't just use their own flights they also use other airlines like Easyjet so yes they might have dropped their Bodrum but can still offer potentially via the likes of Easyjet.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

On their own metal however Jerry they’ve dropped it. This clearly is to make room for something. They’ve also dropped 2 long haul rotations.

Now I’m not sure if they’ll move that aircraft out to go to somewhere else to operate long haul or it remains at BRS expanding their short haul offering. Could a re shuffle of the deck mean the
freeing a 737max up?

They may offer easy seats but for how long? If EasyJet holidays takes off EasyJet could drop them and they’ll be then left with a limited fleet and inability to expand as they’ve not got a fleet order that is specifically for the UK.

As for Yorkshire market again:

"To ignore Yorkshire after doing so in 2003, when there is a prime opportunity now, would be detriment to themselves"

 

[752]

Am I right in thinking they wont be leasing the Sunwing A/C in future? if so that could explain lack of expansion as they dont have the AC, 2 more AC into EMA making it up to 5. in theory 1/2 still spare. unless they are using their own A/C to fill the loss of the Sunwings AC.

 

[Jerry]

On their own metal however Jerry they’ve dropped it. This clearly is to make room for something. They’ve also dropped 2 long haul rotations.

Only they know why. Could be a simple lack of demand. UK economy isn't exactly in great shape so maybe that's starting to tell with some destinations.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Only they know why. Could be a simple lack of demand. UK economy isn't exactly in great shape so maybe that's starting to tell with some destinations.

Absolutely. But then with that comes the opportunity to move aircraft elsewhere.

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Am I right in thinking they wont be leasing the Sunwing A/C in future? if so that could explain lack of expansion as they dont have the AC, 2 more AC into EMA making it up to 5. in theory 1/2 still spare. unless they are using their own A/C to fill the loss of the Sunwings AC.

I was thinking this. This was the last year with Sunwing and is the last year for TUI over in Canada isn't it?

I wonder if they'll go grovelling to SmartLynx instead.

 

[Jerry]

Absolutely. But then with that comes the opportunity to move aircraft elsewhere.

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I was thinking this. This was the last year with Sunwing and is the last year for TUI over in Canada isn't it?

I wonder if they'll go grovelling to SmartLynx instead.

I believe it is the last year yes as TUI sold their shares in Sunwing. I'd imagine that Smartlynx have a lot of airlines that go grovelling to them or maybe they'd grovel to Titan or Enter Air instead like lots of other airlines do.

 

[lbaspotter]

I wonder if they'll go grovelling to SmartLynx instead.

Sunwing is gone next year after its takeover by Westjets.

Well if it's good enough for Jet2, I sure Smart Lynx, Titan, Hi-Fly and Wamos could be in the running for leased aircraft by TUI.
It won't have any I'll effect the new LBA operation next summer 2023 as our non based TUi Airways flights will be operated w-leg of Manchester based metal as has been done this year.
The Tuesday Palma could be done by TUI's own metal too whilst either Air Europa or Alberstar could be employed.
The Antalya and Dalaman flights I suspect will be operated by a Turkish operator. Eg Pegasus, FreeBird, Corredon or Sun Express. Now if it's either the latter 2 I suspect they could turn them into scheduled flights and sell seats themselves...

The realationship between LBA & TUi is been rebuilt, so don't think we be getting based matel anytime soon.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Sunwing is gone next year after its takeover by Westjets.

Did think so.

Well if it's good enough for Jet2, I sure Smart Lynx, Titan, Hi-Fly and Wamos could be in the running for leased aircraft by TUI.
It won't have any I'll effect the new LBA operation next summer 2023 as our non based TUi Airways flights will be operated w-leg of Manchester based metal as has been done this year.

That depends however what they give SmartLynx (if they were to) or Titan in terms of the flying? It could well be we get them over TUI metal as they base them into Manchester. Doubtful of course but never say never ....