Future Infrastructure Developments

[User0001]

For some reason my phone doesn't recognize Bradford

 

[User0001]

LS16 you seem to be in the know. Have you seen the 2011 Bridgepoint Masterplan? Will the Masterplan be a little more accurate than the 10 year old one that proved to be a complete waste of money? Will there be set dates for construction a bit like the Leeds Arena?

 

[User0001]

Re: Infrastructure Developments

Here are the offical minutes from the Council planning meeting

179 Application 08/06944/FU - Two Storey extension to Main Airport Terminal
Building to provide new entrance and improved internal facilities with
associated landscaping works to the Terminal Building Forecourt at
Leeds & Bradford Airport, Whitehouse Lane, Yeadon, Leeds LS19 7TU
The Panel considered a report by the Chief Planning Officer on proposals for
a two storey extension to the existing terminal building at Leeds/Bradford
International Airport (LBIA). The Panel had previously received and
commented on a position statement relating to the proposals at the meeting
held 19th February 2009 (minute 151 refers). Site plans, floor plans, drawings
showing the elevations and photographs were displayed at the meeting.
The Head of Planning Services briefly introduced the application and recalled
a previous site visit and pre-application presentation at LBIA on 13 November
2008. He outlined 3 key issues for the Panel to consider as:
• whether the principle of development was acceptable;
• the design
• and surface access/highways
It was noted that the Panel had generally accepted the principle of the
development at the meeting on 19 February 2009.
Members heard from the planning case officer who outlined the reasoning
behind the application which would provide a new entrance and foyer,
improved internal facilities for passengers, address access issues and provide
landscaping. The Panel then heard from the Design Officer who displayed
architects perspectives of the proposals and explained the design rationale.
Officers reported receipt of late letters of representation from Mr P Truswell
MP, Mr G Mulholland MP and Friends of the Earth and reported their content.
A letter had also been submitted by Aireborough Civic Society. 358 individual
letters concerning airport growth, 309 letters regarding the lack of a public
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hackney carriage rank, 18 individual letters of support and 10 letters of
support from organisations/businesses had also been received.
The Panel noted that £28m investment would be made into LBIA as a result of
this development. In terms of this application the Panel were advised to have
regard to the Development Plan context set by the Regional Spatial Strategy
(RSS) and the Unitary Development Plan (UDP) - appendix 2 had been tabled
at the meeting setting out the full wording of RSS Policy T6 with supporting
text. This application was being promoted to deal with existing operational
issues at the airport but could enable growth in passenger numbers to be
handled at the terminal.
Officers went through in detail the revised proposed financial contributions on
offer from the airport for inclusion in the Section 106 agreement:
- £228k annually to support bus services until LBIA reached £5m
passengers per annum (mppa) OR until a 10% modal shift in transport
was achieved (currently only 6% travel to the airport by bus). The
routes would include the Leeds/Harrogate/Bradford routes. If the
supported routes became commercially viable the fund would be used
elsewhere and the payment would be continued should the modal split
drop below 10% up to 5 mppa
- Contribution not exceeding £50k to reinstate the York bus link in
conjunction with York City Council and North Yorkshire County Council
- 2 further funding pots of £500k each:
o One towards highways/transport improvements to be triggered
when LBIA achieved 3.8m passengers per year. Payments to be
managed in conjunction with an Airport Transport Forum to be
established.
o One to support operation of bus services when passenger
numbers rise above 3.8 m and up to 5 m.
- financial contribution to undertake annual forecourt surveys, monitor
the implementation of the Travel Plan and meet the costs of monitoring
vehicles accessing and leaving the airport
- release land to LCC (in the medium to long term) for the tram scheme
at nominal cost
- commit to update the Master Plan and Surface Access Strategy in
2011
- to publicise the bus options
- to provide travel plan measures for staff and implement real time
information on the forecourt and within the building
Furthermore the application secured a robust mechanism for the
implementation of the various commitments with agreed trigger points through
an Annual Review which would be looked at by the Airport Transport Forum
and be tied into the Section 106 Legal Agreement. The Forum would consider
passenger numbers; traffic generation and modal split looking at the trigger
points in order to identify when funds should be released.
The Panel then heard representation in opposition to the scheme from the
following:
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Mr Cooper – a local resident voicing concerns over highway access to the
airport, congestion and impact on the locality
Mr C Woods – Aireborough Civic Society voicing concerns regarding
increased flight movements and associated noise pollution and seeking a
restriction in the number of light aircraft flights, control of circular flights and
encouraging flight routes away from residential areas
Mr Q Cooper – Hackney Carriage Trade representative seeking the
reinstatement of a hackney carriage stand at the airport in order to improve
public access and provide choice of transport
Mr M Utting – Leeds Joint Trade Council for Hackney Carriages seeking
consideration of provision of a hackney carriage stand, particularly having
regard to the needs of disabled passengers
Mr A Rae – Friends of the Earth particularly concerned over the expansion of
the airport and long term effect on highways, CO2 emissions and additional
noise. Mr Rae also sought the submission of a Sustainability Appraisal which
was considered necessary under Policy T6 of the RSS, a more credible
surface access review and a limit on the number of flights
It should be noted the Panel varied procedure in order to allow all the
objectors a total of 10 minutes in which to make their representations. 10
minutes was then afforded to Mr Lapworth on behalf of Leeds and Bradford
Airport who addressed the concerns raised by the objectors and outlined the
improvements the application would bring to the airport, the benefits of the
scheme to the region, consultation undertaken and the transport package
associated with the scheme.
The Panel considered that the design of the building and layout had improved
and was now acceptable. The main concerns discussed centred around the
impact of growth on the surrounding area and particularly the highway impact
and proposals for public transport. Members discussed several main issues,
making suggestions for consideration and requesting further information as
appropriate:
Government White Paper
• Noted the 8.2m passengers quoted in the Airport Master Plan in 2006
was above the 7m quoted in the Government White Paper, and that
although the economy was experiencing a downturn there was still a
demand for air travel which was currently being met by other airports.
• The Airport Master Plan had included projected passenger numbers –
up to 5m during Phase 1 and up to 8m during Phase 2.
• The Master Plan would be reviewed in 2011 with full consultation
• Whether a sustainability appraisal should be submitted at this stage
Surface access
• Public access should be maximised. The application must be viewed
holistically in this respect to include the highways network; car users;
bus travel and hackney carriage/private hire access.
• Members suggested a specified area should be designated for
“meeters and greeters” which is easy and convenient to use particularly
for disabled travellers
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• Members considered that the present issues highlighted by the
hackney carriage representatives should be addressed as part of the
application with a pick up/drop off point close to the terminal
• Clarity required on how the additional 1.2 million passengers (to 5
mppa from 3.8m) would be managed in terms of highways and
transport
• Ongoing monitoring of the use of public transport should be undertaken
by LCC, METRO and First Bus as well as LBIA
Public Transport
• Further consideration needs to be given, and set out, of different
methods of transport to/from the airport and particularly the public
transport infrastructure links to/from the airport with the rest of the
Yorkshire region
• It was recognised that there were difficulties with the location and no
dedicated train link – it was noted that work on tram-train was ongoing
and the airport was a key stakeholder but not wholly responsible for the
implementation of the scheme. Such a scheme involving a train link
was important but could not be delivered as part of this application
• Reliance on bus travel for business and family holidays was not
realistic
• It was important to ensure all bus routes linking to the airport were
maximised and carefully managed with funding targeted appropriately
with all possible funding partners
• Ideas given for consideration included implementing new designated
bus stops for the airport, establishment of a remote checking facility at
Leeds City railway Station/bus terminus and provision of a red route
Highway Impact
• Members requested additional information about the traffic impact on
the junctions around the airport but also on the wider network including
the A647 and A65 and the Horsforth, Rodley and Greengates
roundabouts
• Details of projected increase in road users and impact on highways
and any proposals for works to address problems
Consultation
• The significance of the airport to the whole region could not be
overstated and Panel felt that neighbouring local authorities should be
made aware of the plans and given the opportunity to provide
comments
• To ensure appropriate bodies such as Yorkshire Forward are also
involved in the consultation
The Panel sought clarity on the trigger points for release of funding and the
mechanisms in place to ensure the funding is released at the appropriate time
for the right measures. Overall Members were not yet convinced by the
mechanisms in place or the detail of the proposals to allow the development
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to proceed. Members were concerned that passenger figures would increase
and the transport infrastructure may not be in place to deal with the impact.
RESOLVED - That determination of the application be deferred and officers
be requested to further discuss the matters described above with the
applicant. The application will be presented back to the Panel at the next
appropriate meeting

I don't wish to be annoying but i think it is good to remember old posts to see how far we've come. This is from over 4 years ago.

 

[User0001]

LUFC Pete, at the last committee meeting in September we were told that at the December meeting, we would be given a presentation re the progress with the Masterplan, so hopefully that will happen. We are not due the agenda and reports for a while yet, but they should be coming in the next week or two. If the masterplan is not on the agenda I will ask for you.

This is from last November White Heather. Would appreciate if you'd ask em again why they're 2 years late and when are we going to get an ACCURATE Masterplan? I thought the council were bad.....

 

[User0001]

LS16 you seem to be in the know. Have you seen the 2011 Bridgepoint Masterplan? Will the Masterplan be a little more accurate than the 10 year old one that proved to be a complete waste of money? Will there be set dates for construction a bit like the Leeds Arena?

A masterplan is a guide to what might happen if passenger numbers grow to certain levels. That's it really. I don't think you should be looking at this to give you the kind of cast iron guarantee you are hoping for. I also don't think you should think that the publication of a masterplan has got anything to do with how and when the airport will develop. If the airport has a commercial justification for investing, it will invest. The existence of a masterplan or not, has got no bearing on this at all really.

 

[User0001]

Absolute waffle. The masterplan should be accurate and at the time was stated as such. The passenger forecasts apron plans terminal layouts fuel farm plans all proved to be garbage unlike luton Birmingham bristol east midlands Manchester etc etc etc. That will actually build to the designs they showed.
It was deliberately designed to be an accurate prediction of future intentions and that is how the public will have viewed it and still do. I have noted the wording on the airport website has been slightly altered now to state that developments are dependant on the economic climate. Its spin big business spin-nothing more. Remove the current masterplan from the website as none of those detailed designs will actually happen- will they LS16? It really is quite simple-on the masterplan show actual REAL building plans for the months and years ahead. We don't want another terminal extension quietly shuffled off the website after the fanfare while this pile of MISLEADING CRAP is left on. It really is quite simple. We require actual plans of actual work that is going to happen as part of a genuine masterplan. Now get on with it Bridgepoints

 

[User0001]

Well you know who to write to if you don't like it.
You asked for an opinion and if you don't like the response, that's fine.
Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.
All the best

 

[User0001]

Its not a guide as it is very detailed and therefore very misleading. A more accurate guide would have stated that we could build a terminal extension but we might just build a bus shelter. That would have been a more honest masterplan.
You should have a look at bristols masterplan LS16.Its a GUIDE of things that are actually happening ( with spades ). It really is very simple. Show exactly what infrastructure development is going to happen. If any. Real building work-that is what the public are interested in. No misleading guides but actual plans.

 

[User0001]

No probs LS16 . Hope I've made things clear. All the best for lbia. The current masterplan is pretty crap & very misleading to the yorkshire public. Im sure you and every manager at the airport would agree. You do not show very detailed plans and then say its just a GUIDE. People want to know ACTUAL plans and they have every right to know and not be misled.

 

[User0001]

What happens is that companies churn out CRAP to win big money deals. They show grand schemes in supermarkets and librarys etc that then in time get shelved saving an awful lot of money. This is why the yorkshire public want to see actual plans. Just like birminghams runway extension. Imagine telling people birminghams runway extension was just a guide. I don't think the pilots landing on it would be too happy.

 

[a300boy]

I agree White Heather has little chance of even asking a question on this subject as the meetings seem to be biased to pre set questions only . My previous employer held webinars with the crew in the same way. I do however think LUFC PETE has some very valid points which we all should take on board before leaping to Bridgepoints defence.
We have lost a lot of long standing routes this last year even though we gained a second based A320 and the return of Thomsons to Lbia. It does seem we have few plans in place for further development if the master plan is not to be implemented as envisaged.

 

[User0001]

A bus shelter is what bridgepoint have delivered so far. The masterplan has proved 100% fiction. Remove it as it misleads the yorshire public. My accurate postings will continue.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

The masterplan is an ACCURATE prediction based on the economic trend at the time of publishing - so for this case 2005.

Its strange to look at that between 2011 and 2016 the Labour led council who led this airport, have predicted minimal growth. This shows you that masterplans are only accurate for the next year and can not predict into the future. How did they know in 2008 the world would literally crash, how did they know they would loose Jet2 doing a year round SSH service (yes i know its being replaced but still it could of helped) they don't know alot. A masterplan is a predicition, not a potrail, of what will happen. The prediction is very very wrong we admit, but like others have mentioned - the airport is the only one with healthy growth year on year (this year will see 3mil pax). I feel the airport has set figures in its minde before it does abc & xyz to the airfield.

Masterplan is also reviewd every six months, or its what i've being told by my lectuer who worked at EMA for years, that theres was reviewd every six months.

LUFC pete, its bordering of boring your rants. The masterplan will be released, as soon as its done and accurate predictions are place in. The masterplan is not accurate, but it is ... only 3-5 years behind. So yes it is accurate but 3-5 years behind. Also the tram/train things like this .. they don't happen overnight when you've got such a crap led council by a crap political party.

 

[User0001]

Thanks for the replies & sorry i bore some of you students. As for posing questions to the airport - i do not need to, as i have known exactly what would happen for years.
Some of you do not understand how important positive spin & good news is used by companies to hide the truth. The decision not to go ahead with a terminal extension was made years ago. Was there a headline news story on the website? Of course not because bad news is swept under the carpet. I expect the bridgepoint masterplan to be equally as vague & ultimately inaccurate as the council one. The economic climate keeps being dragged out by the bosses as an excuse for not upgrading the infrastructure of the airport. If you can't do the job of bringing this airport up to anywhere near where it should be in relevance to its gigantic catchment allied to years of underfunding and neglect and NOT depending on the current economic climate, which will always peak and trough; THEN GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN as you won the battle erroneously with promises you couldn't keep.
All have another look at the old current masterplan-it is incredibly misleading inaccurate and very very little of what is shown will be built. This is why the Government demanded that airport owners must regularly update them to show ACTUAL plans that will be constructed.That 5 yearly update is very very late now for no good reason.

 

[airforced]

The question of seating, or lack of it, in air side departures has rumbled on for ever in this thread but I thought the consensus view was that once the 'improvements' had been completed that there would be considerably more seating than before.

After passing through recently I can't see where that extra seating is. I was assuming that this extra seating would be 'public' seating, ie for those of us who don't want to bury a pint or two before boarding. I did see a considerable increase in seating but only seating associated with the increase in retail outlets. I am confused. Is the increase in retail seating, as opposed to public seating, what was promised? Can someone please clarify this one for me as I don't believe we have been provided with the promised increase in seating, unless of course I have been barking up the wrong tree all along?

 

[lbaspotter]

Quite simple really, As you have already pointed out the extra seating that has been installed is in the retail units, (bars & etc). This is where they (Bridgepoint Capital/Airport Managerment) want you and the rest of us to sit so make us feel like we have spend are hard earned money in there terminal building....

Afteral the saying goes, "it's all about the money"

 

[Aviador]

The airport has received delivery of around 100 new chairs for use outside the retail areas. A bit on the low side to say the least but they are new nonetheless.

The chairs have armrests between each seat which ensures more people can actually sit rather than the four seats being used by one person for lying on.

 

[SNOWMAN]

at last, I hope these are as well as and not instead of,we now may stand a chance of a seat when we fly out to paphos in june?
thanks for the info aviador.
regards
sm1

 

[Seasider]

I am flying out on Monday, I will look for them.

 

[White Heather]

Just catching up after returning from Lanzarote yesterday. I flew out on the 9th and those metal chairs were there then - rather low rent I have to say and I noted also that most of the seating was either in the bars/eateries or in the executive lounge. I also noted that despite how recently the terminal was opened, many of the new padded seats had been spoiled by passengers dumping drinks all over them, walls dirtied etc. Obviously people don't bother to take care even when something is new. However, despite flying at a relatively busy time (check in 0615 for a 0855 departure) I had a sizeable choice of seats to use without having to use any of the retail areas. In general it was fine.

Coming back last night, we surprisingly ended up on the Stand 8 Airbridge so were into the terminal very quickly. We got through customs quickly - less than 5 minutes but then it went to pot. The Monarch flight that left Arrecife just before us had many of its pax still waiting at Carousel 3 for their luggage. Our Jet2 flight was also allocated Carousel 3, despite the fact that none of the others were in use. Result = up to 500 people all hanging around one carousel. The luggage arrived in fits and starts and it was a good 30 minutes after entering the luggage reclaim area before it arrived and I was one of the lucky ones whose luggage arrived quickly. It really felt as though because nothing else was due, there was only a limited number of luggage personnel available - in fact as we entered the terminal an announcement was made to the Monarch pax apologising for the delay in providing them with their luggage. There were a few grumbles among fellow pax.

I used the Arrow taxi facility for the first time. It worked well and I got a taxi within 5 minutes and several people were commenting at their efficiency. I did think that the charge of £9.40 to Cookridge was steep, but the driver was very courteous.

I am not going to comment further on the issues raised by LUFC Pete regarding the Masterplan and terminal development as I have done so before. I know Pete's views and he certainly knows mine. Pete clearly thinks Bridgepoint have a bottomless pit of money and nothing I do or say will change that will it Pete? :dunno: