Manchester Airport - General Thread

[Land23R]

Good question Scottie. I tried using // as separators but that doesn't help much. Might try ........... next time!
Also apols to the moderators.

 

[David_itl]

Try this:

Paste info into post
Select all the text
Click in the capital A on the list if fornatting options and use drop down to highlight 'courier new'

May need to abbreviate some destinations though! Not tried this out though.

 

[IanFarquharson]

Ken O'Toole off to Stansted
Andrew Cowan off to Manchester

Ken O’Toole, currently Chief Executive Officer at Manchester Airport, has been appointed as the new CEO at London Stansted.

Andrew Cowan, Stansted’s current CEO who has lead the airport since April 2016, will replace Ken as Chief Executive Officer at Manchester Airport. The changes will come into effect in September.

Ken O’Toole will take up the role and lead the airport’s management team and over 1,600 MAG staff as it plays a critical role in providing runway capacity in the South East of England over the next 10-15 years. In July, Stansted passed the 25 million passengers a year landmark for the first time in its history, and with planning permission secured for a new £130 million arrivals building, Ken will oversee the airport’s continued planned investment and growth agendas.

The airport has recently consulted with the local community on its intention to submit a planning application in the coming months to seek approval to increase the number of flights and passengers permitted at Stansted to make full use of the existing single runway and airport infrastructure.

Ken will also focus on further expanding Stansted’s extensive route network following the recent announcement of new scheduled flights to New York and Boston with Primera Air from April 2018, the continued growth of Ryanair at its biggest base and the arrival this summer of Jet2.com at Stansted, the first time the airline has operated from an airport in the south-east of England.


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Charlie Cornish, Chief Executive, MAG, said:

“Both Ken and Andrew have demonstrated they are first class airport leaders during their career at MAG. I am pleased to have appointed them as the new CEOs of London Stansted and Manchester respectively.

”I know that they will successfully develop their airports further as they play an even bigger role providing the global connectivity and runway capacity that this country needs in the coming years. Both airports are about to embark on significant periods of development and investment, and Ken and Andrew are the right people to lead them during this critical time.
Charlie Cornish, Chief Executive, MAG, said:
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Ken O’Toole has led Manchester Airport since February 2013 and is an Executive Director of MAG, sitting on its Board. Prior to joining MAG, Ken spent six years with Ryanair, joining initially as Head of Revenue Management and latterly as Director of New Route Development. Ken is a qualified Chartered Accountant and his previous experience includes Musgrave Group, a leading Irish and UK based retailer, and Credit Suisse First Boston.

 

[Land23R]

It seems to be nearly all about K'OT and STN Ian. Was there no reference to what Andrew Cowan's focus will be at MAN?

 

[User001]

They want KOT to boost the airline portfolio at STN and personal reasons for wanting to be in London.

MAN will continue doing what it's always done, there will be no change of focus and we will continue to steam ahead.

 

[Land23R]

As you would expect, the M.E.N article gives more emphasis on Andrew Cowan and his MAN role.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../manchester-airport-andrew-cowan-ceo-13442702

 

[Scottie Dog]

Try this:

Paste info into post
Select all the text
Click in the capital A on the list if fornatting options and use drop down to highlight 'courier new'

May need to abbreviate some destinations though! Not tried this out though.

My thanks to David for his suggestion - it certainly works with Excel files, although I still needed to make minor tweaks. Please see the CAA Statistics thread for the results!

 

[Dobbo]

Thanks to Ken O'Toole - he speaks a lot of sense and, on the face of it, has done a good job. I wish him well.

No need to change the strategy. Push for more infrastructure investment, and position MAN as the hub for the rest of the UK.

 

[Seasider]

I live on the East Coast, why should I have to travel to Manchester when there 3 airports at least 1 hour closer?

 

[User001]

I live in the north west, why should I have to travel to Heathrow when I have at least 8 major airports that are closer? One of life's paradox I'm afraid.

 

[EGCC_MAN]

why should I have to travel to Manchester

You don't have to. As a customer you are free to choose any available route. As are we all.

 

[Aceshigh]

I live on the East Coast, why should I have to travel to Manchester when there 3 airports at least 1 hour closer?

No idea. Have checked map this morning and there are airports in Humberside , Leeds, Doncaster, Newcastle, Teeside, and Norwich. Free country! Feel free.

 

[Dobbo]

Just to clarify, I am not advocating closure of airports like LBA, DSA, NCL (amongst others) to facilitate MAN's expansion.

Each of these has an important, but more local, role for connectivity. Mostly holiday routes but also hub feeders (AMS, LHR, CDG).

What it is unrealistic is for these airports to offer regular direct flights to places like New York, Hong Kong, Singapore, San Francisco, Tokyo etc.

This is where the expanded MAN catchment comes in to play, located between major population centres like Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Liverpool and Sheffield - capable of supporting regular flights to the aforementioned destinations.

 

[Coathanger16]

Just to clarify, I am not advocating closure of airports like LBA, DSA, NCL (amongst others) to facilitate MAN's expansion.

Each of these has an important, but more local, role for connectivity. Mostly holiday routes but also hub feeders (AMS, LHR, CDG).

What it is unrealistic is for these airports to offer regular direct flights to places like New York, Hong Kong, Singapore, San Francisco, Tokyo etc.

This is where the expanded MAN catchment comes in to play, located between major population centres like Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Liverpool and Sheffield - capable of supporting regular flights to the aforementioned destinations.

There's also an argument to be had for not doing that though. Yes the smaller regional airports are unlikely to secure routes to those long haul markets that you list, but surely it'd be better for those regional airports for passengers to still use them to fly to a hub first. So instead of say someone living near Newcastle travelling to Manchester for a flight to the US, flying from Newcastle to the US via Dublin.

I admit to being biased here, but that difference is key for the likes of Birmingham in securing new long haul routes. If anyone in the Midlands that wanted to fly to Hong Kong travelled to Manchester to fly Cathay from there, any prospective airline looking at flying Hong Kong to Birmingham wouldn't know how many people wanted to travel from the Midlands to HKG. If those passengers were instead to travel from BHX to HKG via say Paris or Amsterdam, wouldn't they have a better indication?

 

[Dobbo]

Don't they have surface leakage stats?

So, someone with a booking from MAN but a residential/office address in Birmingham (or the BHX catchment) would show up on the stats sheet?

 

[David_itl]

Airports have a rough idea how many passengers from an area use any given airport on a given route. They would be able to communicate those nunbers to any airline that they wish to negotiate with. Specific airlines operating out of other airports would have the specific detals of yield potential from a new airport through data analysis of their passengers. If those numbers stack up, that rnew oute will come to fruition.

Looking at Hong Kong, MAN was in talks with airlines with VS publically saying that the '90,000' passengers they advised the market size was being insufficient for them to launch such a service. One wonders where those numbers came from. Yet MAN could finally get CX on board. If total numbers routing BHX-elsewhere-HKG or road/rail-MAN/LHR/LGW-HKG aren't yet there for non-stop BHX-HKG then it's unfortunate.

 

[Dobbo]

The other side of the coin is that O&D of 90k MAN-HKG may be insufficient for VS, but is fine for CX when accounting for onward transfers to places like Australasia and Japan.

If present loads continue, we can expect something in the region of 16,000 passengers flying MAN-HKG per month. That's roughly 190k per year. Pretty good going...

 

[Land23R]

I don't think you will get Coathanger to be supportive of MAN. But your interest lies in BHX, fair enough. I take it you are equally concerned about leakage to Heathrow from BHX.

Changing tack:
For lo, I bring you glad tidings of great joy, for this morning at Manchester Airport I beheld 19 out of 20 travelators between T1 & T2 moving.

Alas, a new section has gone poorly with the usual notice about a u/s component.

Having walked between the two terminals a significant number of times in recent years, 19/20 is a record in my experience. Dare I suggest that the person who delights in turning some off - to save energy perhaps - might be on holiday??

 

[Dobbo]

I think surface leakage is a reasonable topic that affects MAN and BHX. Obviously this is more accute at BHX given its position between LHR and MAN.

The markets of each of BHX and MAN are so different that I don't think it's a case that supporting one is to a significant detriment of the other.

Perhaps the TP has started with the travellators?!!!

 

[Seasider]

I am pleased that some members agree that I have a choice of where to fly from.
On reading many posts in different threads over the last 3-6 months, the suggestion from several MAN supporters is that people in the North of England should use MAN as the airport of choice for their flights. It is a very valid option for some services, especially westbound, but you can get to many destinations around the world via LHR/DUB/AMS and other hubs, in addition to direct flights, from NCL/MME/LBA/HUY/DSA.
I respect other members views, don't always agree with them (see above), but this has been niggling me for a while. I have said my piece and now will keep quiet.