easyJet

[Sherburnflyer92]

Expansion of easyJet on off peak will do no harm using easyJet Europe. Palma, Faro, Malaga - all 3 of these route easy should be able to see without any real problems.

 

[Seasider]

But surely, LBA is crying out for services to France, Germany and Italy city airports.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

But surely, LBA is crying out for services to France, Germany and Italy city airports.

It is. But let’s face it. To make money, make a name, and ensure the market takes to your product you need to go with something that should work. Palma should be going full from any carrier from any airport during summer.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

But surely, LBA is crying out for services to France, Germany and Italy city airports.

It is, but for some reason the airport are unable to tempt anyone to serve these destinations.

 

[pug]

Most likely reaction (if any) will be for them to expand their offering at Liverpool (and maybe to a lesser extent Manchester).

There's a number of smaller airports that Jet2 operate to from other bases that EZY don't (Reus, Girona, Almeria, etc) whilst there's plenty of city destinations in Germany and Italy in particular that EZY could serve that Jet2 wouldn't.

My point being there's enough room for both to exist with relatively little competition. Only 11 of the 25 routes easyJet operate from LPL will have competition from Jet2, and of the 20 destinations Jet2 will operate to, 9 are destinations that easyJet don't.

easyJet likely have a list of bases they are planning/considering. Jet2 launching at LPL may cause EZY to shuffle some aircraft around and might delay some planned opening of bases, but I doubt it will re-order that list.

I think the opposite, they have scaled back quite a bit at LPL recently in favour of MAN, they’ve pulled their bases at NCL, SEN and STN and flown increasingly to those places from other bases. Not sure why this move would result in them increasing at LPL? As mentioned elsewhere, they have a Europe wide network but their base network in the U.K. alienates probably 50% of the population. They ‘tried’ to set up shop at DSA but this proved fruitless, they have a token presence at LBA in the form of an BFS service a few times a week. They do not have a base in Birmingham.

I get why Jet2 have moved in to LPL, they had to to satisfy their growth plans. It’s also an efficient airport with a large market that they are now confident will compliment MAN. They will open more bases in the future. Easyjet are not a direct competitor to Jet2 any more, TUI are. I understand TUI have started selling holidays from LPL more using easyjet seats, which may help your argument when it comes to holiday destinations, but the based aircraft may be better utilised elsewhere. LBA being a prime example of a market neglected by them for years.

Problem for LBA is that there is no room, and I can’t imagine there would be much appetite to fly from Malaga and Faro during quieter times and in direct competition with Ryanair, I think it would be a base with primarily un-served and under-served destinations if/when it happens.

 

[LBA4EVER]

It is, but for some reason the airport are unable to tempt anyone to serve these destinations.

Infrastructure is the key word, currently we seriously lack in this area.

 

[Coathanger16]

I think the opposite, they have scaled back quite a bit at LPL recently in favour of MAN, they’ve pulled their bases at NCL, SEN and STN and flown increasingly to those places from other bases. Not sure why this move would result in them increasing at LPL? As mentioned elsewhere, they have a Europe wide network but their base network in the U.K. alienates probably 50% of the population. They ‘tried’ to set up shop at DSA but this proved fruitless, they have a token presence at LBA in the form of an BFS service a few times a week. They do not have a base in Birmingham.

I get why Jet2 have moved in to LPL, they had to to satisfy their growth plans. It’s also an efficient airport with a large market that they are now confident will compliment MAN. They will open more bases in the future. Easyjet are not a direct competitor to Jet2 any more, TUI are. I understand TUI have started selling holidays from LPL more using easyjet seats, which may help your argument when it comes to holiday destinations, but the based aircraft may be better utilised elsewhere. LBA being a prime example of a market neglected by them for years.

Problem for LBA is that there is no room, and I can’t imagine there would be much appetite to fly from Malaga and Faro during quieter times and in direct competition with Ryanair, I think it would be a base with primarily un-served and under-served destinations if/when it happens.

My point wasn't so much saying easyJet would expand at Liverpool in response to a Jet2 base but more if they were to respond in any way, focussing on Liverpool would be more likely than launching any new routes to or open a base at Leeds.

 

[Aviador]

My point wasn't so much saying easyJet would expand at Liverpool in response to a Jet2 base but more if they were to respond in any way, focussing on Liverpool would be more likely than launching any new routes to or open a base at Leeds.

There are many ways of going forward, but only one way of standing still.

 

[pug]

My point wasn't so much saying easyJet would expand at Liverpool in response to a Jet2 base but more if they were to respond in any way, focussing on Liverpool would be more likely than launching any new routes to or open a base at Leeds.

I agree, appreciate my point previously was not clear. I’m not suggesting they will pull out of LPL and move everything to LBA, certainly not as a reaction to the move by Jet2 to open a base at LPL. That would never happen.

Like Aviador alludes, this could go either way for easyjet at LPL. They may focus more on LPL to strengthen their position there, or they may redeploy some assets elsewhere and maintain a presence at LPL by more use of out-stationed aircraft. Jet2 and Easyjet are not direct competitors at the moment, not at least until easyjet holidays becomes a more serious focus. Even then, it would take years to catch up with the Jet2 product and I’m not sure they could or would want to.

LPL has a strong European market on the back of it being a famous city with many links to Ireland and the Continent, clearly Easyjet and Ryanair do well out of exploiting that. However, easyjet do appear to have stagnated somewhat at LPL with focus on the North West being at MAN. My suggestion is that if they can significantly reduce their presence at places like STN and NCL, then there is no reason not to believe that might not be the case for LPL with the extra capacity being shored up elsewhere.

Please note I am not suggesting this is in anyway as a direct result of Jet2 moving in, but I do wonder whether all the stops have been pulled out to finally get Jet2 to agree to a LPL base on the back of something else happening at LPL.

Back on the topic of LBA, if easyjet decide they want to expand their presence East of the Pennines then there is really no viable contender other than LBA now. Pure speculation as I don’t know what easyJet’s growth strategy is currently in the U.K. but I don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect that they might want to bolster their presence at BHX (underserved by them) and also LBA when the time is right. Should they do that, then it is open to debate as to how they might find the capacity to do so.

 

[Finger66]

BHX getting a base from Q2 2024 so definitely never say never re LBA

 

[lbaspotter]

So that's 3x of the up to 10x Airbuses easyJet are to acquire now allocated for summer 2024

#EasyJet

 

[pug]

So that's 3x of the up to 10x Airbuses easyJet are to acquire now allocated for summer 2024

#EasyJet

Do we know whether these up to 10 are all to be on G register and whether some of these are to cover attrition?

 

[CM.]

Do we know whether these up to 10 are all to be on G register and whether some of these are to cover attrition?

They’ve been taking second hand ones with G-EJC- regs. Or they’ve been transferred from Easyjet Europe.

 

[Finger66]

Ah that's how that sequence has come about

 

[pug]

I’m taking this as positive growth, so there may yet be seven more aircraft to be allocated. Could we see this rumoured SOU base be announced? Also could there be the slightest chance of an LBA base?

 

[LBA4EVER]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659188768232882176

Of course everywhere else but LBA!!

 

[Finger66]

@LBA4EVER I am really sorry but I am going to have to say what I very much suspect everyone else is thinking, and that is “change the ******* record”. PLEASE. We all know it’s frustrating but a little patience is I am sure going to reap rewards...........

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Of course everywhere else but LBA!!

LBA is full for now. Until the terminal is re vamped and also new stands (kick Jet2 out and all them facilities to create new stands). Until then we are full. So sadly best we can get is an expansion of non based units to Malaga Faro Palma amongst others.

 

[Jerry]

Sorry I put that in the wrong thread and forgot to delete it!

 

[Silvercity]

I think the opposite, they have scaled back quite a bit at LPL recently in favour of MAN, they’ve pulled their bases at NCL, SEN and STN and flown increasingly to those places from other bases. Not sure why this move would result in them increasing at LPL? As mentioned elsewhere, they have a Europe wide network but their base network in the U.K. alienates probably 50% of the population. They ‘tried’ to set up shop at DSA but this proved fruitless, they have a token presence at LBA in the form of an BFS service a few times a week. They do not have a base in Birmingham.

I get why Jet2 have moved in to LPL, they had to to satisfy their growth plans. It’s also an efficient airport with a large market that they are now confident will compliment MAN. They will open more bases in the future. Easyjet are not a direct competitor to Jet2 any more, TUI are. I understand TUI have started selling holidays from LPL more using easyjet seats, which may help your argument when it comes to holiday destinations, but the based aircraft may be better utilised elsewhere. LBA being a prime example of a market neglected by them for years.

Problem for LBA is that there is no room, and I can’t imagine there would be much appetite to fly from Malaga and Faro during quieter times and in direct competition with Ryanair, I think it would be a base with primarily un-served and under-served destinations if/when it happens.

I dont see Easyjet doing anything rash at Liverpool, where will they go in the NW ? Space at MAN isn't limitless, and as a frequent flyer through LPL, I can tell you, you hear time and time again from passengers " I dont like Manchester Airport ".

If they get the hump, they only have themselves to blame for messing around with routes and not developing the base quicker, they have been asked, enough times, so they can't complain when someone else does.