KLM

[752]

FR24 now showing the this afternoon and evenings flights are now operated by KLM.

I presume the airline must now book hotels for crew on a ADHOC basis and presume more expensive then the deal they would of had previous

 

[Finger66]

And hope there is something in the contract that these can be charged back to Eastern

 

[Jerry]

But then Manchester has more rotations with KLM and also has EasyJet on the route whereas LBA only has KLM.

Yep i know but it still doesn't encourage someone like me to use LBA and I'm not looking at a trip to Amsterdam so Easyjet wouldn't be in the equation. I'm looking at travelling to Stockholm and KLM price for LBA one way is £245 via AMS for MAN to connect onto the same flight to Stockholm is £107. Obviously both are the lowest fare. And it's not just LBA that has that challenge its replicated at other airports as well.

 

[White Heather]

Yep i know but it still doesn't encourage someone like me to use LBA and I'm not looking at a trip to Amsterdam so Easyjet wouldn't be in the equation. I'm looking at travelling to Stockholm and KLM price for LBA one way is £245 via AMS for MAN to connect onto the same flight to Stockholm is £107. Obviously both are the lowest fare. And it's not just LBA that has that challenge its replicated at other airports as well.

More seats equals lower fares, which is why I say LBA would have a better service if it weren't for MAN. KLM give us a somewhat inadequate service, that's got no better in the last decade, knowing any surplus demand will be catered for by a trip over the Pennines. It's so annoying!

 

[Finger66]

And maybe Eastern are hoping any remaining pax will travel East and fly from HUY to AMS. Rock and a hard place springs to mind, although that is just me being cynical - for a change!!
Seriously though the LBA-AMS route does deserve better and KLM needs some competition. Then we will see what happens!

 

[Len Fish]

It is easy to criticise the impersonal company and I don’t exclude myself from that but we should always remember the human side, that there are people whose jobs are at stake here, people who have themselves and families to feed, keep a roof over their heads and pay the bills.

 

[pug]

And maybe Eastern are hoping any remaining pax will travel East and fly from HUY to AMS. Rock and a hard place springs to mind, although that is just me being cynical - for a change!!
Seriously though the LBA-AMS route does deserve better and KLM needs some competition. Then we will see what happens!

Eastern don’t sell the tickets, KLM do. Eastern are just paid for the sector to cover all costs. They have no vested interest in how the individual routes are doing so long as they continue to be operated.

It is easy to criticise the impersonal company and I don’t exclude myself from that but we should always remember the human side, that there are people whose jobs are at stake here, people who have themselves and families to feed, keep a roof over their heads and pay the bills.

It’s not only that, all those pilots at Jet2, Easyjet, BA etc that started out at Eastern did their time and moved on. Where do these people go now that Flybe and others have gone? I appreciate in the context of LBA that it’s not what you want, but there’s far more in play here

 

[LBAYORKIE]

FR24 now showing the this afternoon and evenings flights are now operated by KLM.

I presume the airline must now book hotels for crew on a ADHOC basis and presume more expensive then the deal they would of had previous

And all tomorrows flights too.

And all tomorrows flights too.

Tomorrows flights have now reverted to Eastern!

 

[White Heather]

And all tomorrows flights too.


Tomorrows flights have now reverted to Eastern!

Not any more. The afternoon flight is now shown as KLM. Meanwhile, Eastern E190 G- CMZI is busy doing other things. It's due in from HUY mid afternoon and although the outbound flight isn't yet shown on FR24, expect it to take Leeds United to Luton.

 

[lbaspotter]

KLM city hopper are booked to operate both the evening KL1023/1024 rotation with PH-EXY and the night stopper KL1025 with PH-EZC tomorrow.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Is it gonna be eastern or klm? Place your bets now! Daily draw! Winner receives an IPS flight!

 

[Finger66]

FR24 suggesting all 3 of today's Eastern flights will be E170. Whilst on the face of it that seems quite disappointing, if it guarantees all flights operate, and relatively on time then we should be thankful for that.

As we haven't had any posts for a few days does this mean things have started to settle down?

 

[Aviador]

Does anyone know yet if the Eastern Airways E170 are Cat2/3?

 

[SierraHotel]

I was under the impression we had a based E190 here? Why are we seeing E170 ops?

 

[Finger66]

I was under the impression we had a based E190 here? Why are we seeing E170 ops?

Think that was everyone's understanding. However better to have the E170 than nothing at all (flight cancellations).
Could be fleet operational requirements/limitations or just reflective of LBA loads compared to other airports.
Whichever way whilst I am not a huge fan of this current arrangement, as @pug keeps advising, it may be no service at all without it so let's hope things settle fully, including an E190 more often than not

 

[752]

KLM also did send E175s regularly. Not ideal as reported.

 

[Jerry]

I was under the impression we had a based E190 here? Why are we seeing E170 ops?

Could be tech or needed elsewhere?

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Could be tech or needed elsewhere?

You would think KLM would take bookings up to the maximum for the scheduled aircraft type. If they substitute a smaller aircraft they are potentially in an overbooking situation. They would then presumably either offer incentives to the 'overbooked' pax, or fly them to Manchester instead.

 

[Aviador]

You would think KLM would take bookings up to the maximum for the scheduled aircraft type. If they substitute a smaller aircraft they are potentially in an overbooking situation. They would then presumably either offer incentives to the 'overbooked' pax, or fly them to Manchester instead.

That is something KLM used to do frequently. I was thinking they'd stopped doing that now.

 

[Finger66]

Indeed and that was why i mentioned it might be to do with loads. A Tuesday close to Easter could mean lower loads, but that is possibly the same everywhere. That said there are always reasons for random flights to be fuller or emptier than others. As I say let's hope both airlines know what they are doing and flights aren't oversold because that is only going to further ruin the routes reputation