Your wishlist for BHX

[Kevin Farnell]

So, since Mr Nick Barton has been boss at Birmingham Airport, how many airlines has been gained or lost since Mr Barton has been in charge.

As Ian said

Well said.
Nick Barton knows what he is doing and his main job is to ensure BHX makes money.

and has been said many times in this thread before, the job of BHX management is to deliver the best dividends (profits) to it's shareholders. So the real question should be 'how well has Nick Barton and the team steered BHX through the worst downturn aviation has seen since the second world war?'. Forget about judging the management by how many airlines they have gained.

Kevin

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there HPsauce, the point I'm trying to make is, so how many airlines have we either lost or gained in the last 5 years.

 

[HPsauce]

Hi there HPsauce, the point I'm trying to make is, so how many airlines have we either lost or gained in the last 5 years.

No idea!. What prize do i win?

 

[JENNYJET]

The question in my mind is, Can the BHX estate sufficiently handle an increase in traffic as it currently exists? I have not travelled for a while but when I did, going through BHX was enjoyable in comparison to the London terminals but can they reasonably handle full A330s on a routine schedule together with increased Easyjet or Ryanair rotations?

 

[Aviador]

The question in my mind is, Can the BHX estate sufficiently handle an increase in traffic as it currently exists? I have not travelled for a while but when I did, going through BHX was enjoyable in comparison to the London terminals but can they reasonably handle full A330s on a routine schedule together with increased Easyjet or Ryanair rotations?

Good question. Does BHX have an hourly capacity or how many passengers can pass through the building at any one time?

Anyway, looking back through the thread to the earlier pages, how may destinations have come to fruition since the thread was started back in 2016? One destination that @Daza mentioned was La Palma in the Canaries. Does any UK operator fly to La Palma?

 

[HPsauce]

I believe TUI intend to do La Palma but sadly not from BHX so far.

 

[Coathanger16]

Good question. Does BHX have an hourly capacity or how many passengers can pass through the building at any one time?

Anyway, looking back through the thread to the earlier pages, how may destinations have come to fruition since the thread was started back in 2016? One destination that @Daza mentioned was La Palma in the Canaries. Does any UK operator fly to La Palma?

From the ACL Summer 2022 Capacity Declaration:

Peak movements per hour is 40 for 7-8am and 6-7pm. From 8am - 6pm movement cap is 36 per hour. Drops to 30 per hour in the evening and 16 per hour overnight.

In terms of passengers, maximum per hour is 2960 passengers for departures and 3080 passenger arrivals per hour. Those figures extrapolated over a year reach almost 50mppa, but once you take into account some passengers arriving 3 hours before their flight, others 1 hour before, delays meaning passengers are in the terminal longer, etc, the actual terminal capacity will be lower.

As for La Palma, TUI currently flight once a week from Gatwick and Manchester, and I believe easyJet have also served La Palma from Gatwick in the past.

 

[Ray Finkle]

I do understand the frustrations but I also think it's a possibly a little unfair to criticise Mr Barton just yet. After all it was only a little over 12 months into his role that we saw the worldwide decimation of aviation on an unthinkable scale. Rather than measure success in terms of new services, at the moment I'm just happy to see what we had before trickling back in.

What we have seen recently though is a previously frustratingly stagnant Ryanair adding a significant amount of new destinations and a certain orange airline, that pretty much seemed to avoid BHX wherever possible, adding new routes and frequencies with a little more to hopefully come. These are two of the biggest airlines in Europe and I don't think their expansion can be underestimated. Whilst I want services to NYC to return as much as anyone a multi aircraft base from easyjet would likely bring much more to the airport in terms of pax numbers, revenues etc than a single daily A321.

Aviation development has always appeared painfully slow. With us only just starting to emerge from a pretty horrendous 2 years added to which we have the potential of a very uncertain economic outlook, things are going to take time.

Hopefully we'll see some movement in the right direction fairly soon

 

[IanFarquharson]

I do understand the frustrations but I also think it's a possibly a little unfair to criticise Mr Barton just yet. After all it was only a little over 12 months into his role that we saw the worldwide decimation of aviation on an unthinkable scale. Rather than measure success in terms of new services, at the moment I'm just happy to see what we had before trickling back in.

What we have seen recently though is a previously frustratingly stagnant Ryanair adding a significant amount of new destinations and a certain orange airline, that pretty much seemed to avoid BHX wherever possible, adding new routes and frequencies with a little more to hopefully come. These are two of the biggest airlines in Europe and I don't think their expansion can be underestimated. Whilst I want services to NYC to return as much as anyone a multi aircraft base from easyjet would likely bring much more to the airport in terms of pax numbers, revenues etc than a single daily A321.

Aviation development has always appeared painfully slow. With us only just starting to emerge from a pretty horrendous 2 years added to which we have the potential of a very uncertain economic outlook, things are going to take time.

Hopefully we'll see some movement in the right direction fairly soon

Yes hopefully some more announcements soon
But going back to the capacity question, I understand BHX had over 43,000 one day recently and no real issues appeared to be encountered, so if that was annualised that is 15.7m pax.
I know this is not a great argument but you see that BHX could 'easily' handle 16m pax pa which is still 2m pax pa below BHX own declared capaity of 18m pax pa.
The all time record day was over 52,000 pax in August 2017, that year over 50,000 pax in a day was achieved on a regular basis in Summer months.

 

[pianokeys]

Take some measure also from what’s happening elsewhere. Those of us who trawl other forums will have noticed the wish from other enthusiasts that they have their own frustrations and needs for their local facility. By the end of the year Doncaster may no longer be active, Cardiff is suffering with the proximity of Bristol and the off/on of Wizz’s ambitions, Southampton possibly believe future growth is not ensured above its current activity until the runway is extended and that may be delayed due economic situation, not to mention up against Bournemouth. Southend was a hive of LCC activity before Covid but is all but moribund now. Glasgow probably rues the loss of what it used to have long haul, especially VS going to Edinburgh. EMA I’m sure would love to have LH, KL, AF, EK plus others. Newquay are losing LM, at least temporarily, in a local spat…..the story is the same up and down the country. I’m happy to see growth by evolution not unsustainable revolution.

 

[JENNYJET]

I fully understand that all airports have a fan base and a regional captive audience together with a desire to maximise the offering.

My personal concern is with BHX. The airport my late father took me to as a kid, to see possibly the loudest jet a 9 yr old could tolerate. A Trident if memory serves me!

It annoys me deeply that a percieved inertia exists at the airport company,I cannot recall seeing a report on the activities of any relevant department to grow the airline base, improvements to the estate for the benefit of the travelling public and the City. I assume that as a limited company, such reports are submitted according to company law.

Thus, My fantasy would be a successful world class airport that every known airline would clamour to operate from. This needs a board of directors that think BIG!

 

[IanFarquharson]

Take some measure also from what’s happening elsewhere. Those of us who trawl other forums will have noticed the wish from other enthusiasts that they have their own frustrations and needs for their local facility. By the end of the year Doncaster may no longer be active, Cardiff is suffering with the proximity of Bristol and the off/on of Wizz’s ambitions, Southampton possibly believe future growth is not ensured above its current activity until the runway is extended and that may be delayed due economic situation, not to mention up against Bournemouth. Southend was a hive of LCC activity before Covid but is all but moribund now. Glasgow probably rues the loss of what it used to have long haul, especially VS going to Edinburgh. EMA I’m sure would love to have LH, KL, AF, EK plus others. Newquay are losing LM, at least temporarily, in a local spat…..the story is the same up and down the country. I’m happy to see growth by evolution not unsustainable revolution.

BHX is doing well and should be some more good news next week

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

I’m expecting at least 3 new airlines this winter and at least 10-13 routes
New routes
Kerry
Derry
Newquay
Berlin
Dortmund
Tirana
Gibraltar
Tel aviv
Vienna
Troidheim
New airlines :
Austrian
Norwegian
EasyJet
Eurowings

 

[Kevin Farnell]

I’m expecting at least 3 new airlines this winter and at least 10-13 routes
New routes
Kerry
Derry
Newquay
Berlin
Dortmund
Tirana
Gibraltar
Tel aviv
Vienna
Troidheim
New airlines :
Austrian
Norwegian
EasyJet
Eurowings

Are these actual ACL slot applications for BHX?
As for the airlines, none of them are new. A couple would be 're-starts', but easyjet and Eurowings are regulars.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Are these actual ACL slot applications for BHX?
As for the airlines, none of them are new. A couple would be 're-starts', but easyjet and Eurowings are regulars.

My ideas

 

[Kevin Farnell]

I’m expecting at least 3 new airlines this winter and at least 10-13 routes
New routes
Kerry
Derry
Newquay
Berlin
Dortmund
Tirana
Gibraltar
Tel aviv
Vienna
Troidheim
New airlines :
Austrian
Norwegian
EasyJet
Eurowings

Are these actual ACL slot applications for BHX?
As for the airlines, none of them are new. A couple would be 're-starts', but easyjet and Eurowings are regulars.

My ideas

Moved from the Birmingham ACL slot allocations thread.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Hope everyone is okay with me moving these posts here as it does seem more of a wish list.

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Hope everyone is okay with me moving these posts here as it does seem more of a wish list.

No probs for me, Ray. I was looking for a more appropriate place, but forgot about this thread

 

[Matt995]

I’m expecting at least 3 new airlines this winter and at least 10-13 routes
New routes
Kerry
Derry
Newquay
Berlin
Dortmund
Tirana
Gibraltar
Tel aviv
Vienna
Troidheim
New airlines :
Austrian
Norwegian
EasyJet
Eurowings

Not quite certain what your on about Ant, I presume this is just your wish list for the winter period?

Newquay & Gibraltar would never be launched as a winter destination, Tirana, Tel Aviv, Troidheim are strange choices, and wont happen, and Austrian to Vienna is very unlikely, if it did happen, would expect it to be Summer 2024

Who do you think would fly to Kerry/Derry?? Aer Lingus/Emerald? Do they have the aircraft for it, and it there even is a demand for these flights currently?

 

[HPsauce]

I would like to see Valencia return ( previously operated by Monarch with successful loads). Also Seville and Vigo could do well.
In Germany, the return of Cologne, Hanover and Stuttgart. Hamburg too.
Oslo and Bergen in Norway.
Toronto and Vancouver in Canada.