The word legend gets banded around too much these days but when it comes to the world of basketball Kobe was definitely up there.

So sad to hear that his 13 year old daughter was also killed in the accident.

I can't imagine what his wife and other daughters must be going through right now :(
 
Dreadful news and everyone's thoughts will be with his family and with the families of the others who lost their lives.

I have to admit I'd never heard of him before his death but I don't follow American sport. I'm very surprised at the amount of attention his death has been been given in the UK media given that basketball is not a major sport in this country unlike football, rugby and cricket.

Clearly though he must have a lot of admirers in the UK who will be particularly saddened.
 
Killed by the British media. In my opinion that's Love Islands third victim. The show has become a murder and needs to be axed.
Was she though? Isn't society at large to blame? The media publish stories that will sell their product and celebrity gossip is an easy seller to the public. So who is really at fault here, the media or the public? The abuse Caroline received on social media mainly came from "Joe Public" but we know that this kind of trolling can be more relentless and more damaging than a newspaper headline. The balance that is getting more and more difficult to achieve is between a public figure's public and private lives. Stories about their public life, which they ask the media to share with the world, sells less newspapers than stories about their private life, because society has long had an obsession with watching the rich and famous fall (Marilyn, Elvis, Diana, Whitney, the list goes on). But if you seek publicity for your own professional gain, can you expect the media to not publish what you view to be your private life, when that works for their gain? I liken this to Princess Diana who the "media killed" but although hounded by the press, Diana thrived off the press for other things and was regularly a source for stories that were damning of the royal family. In the end she was killed by a drunk driver speeding.

It seems Caroline had her demons and must have felt she couldn't overcome these. It's incredibly sad that she believed death to be her only way out, but I think there was more at play in Caroline's life than just the newspaper headlines.
 
Harry Gregg. Manchester United and Northern Ireland goalkeeper aged 87 and survivor of the Munich plane crash in 1958 where he went above and beyond the call of duty:

"Gregg escaped from the burning wreckage but went back in and brought Vera Lukic, the pregnant wife of a Yugoslav diplomat, and her young daughter, Vesna, to safety..... He returned to the plane and dragged out injured United pair Bobby Charlton and Dennis Viollet, and came to the aid of manager Matt Busby and fellow Northern Ireland international Jackie Blanchflower.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30383827
 
Was she though? Isn't society at large to blame? The media publish stories that will sell their product and celebrity gossip is an easy seller to the public. So who is really at fault here, the media or the public? The abuse Caroline received on social media mainly came from "Joe Public" but we know that this kind of trolling can be more relentless and more damaging than a newspaper headline. The balance that is getting more and more difficult to achieve is between a public figure's public and private lives. Stories about their public life, which they ask the media to share with the world, sells less newspapers than stories about their private life, because society has long had an obsession with watching the rich and famous fall (Marilyn, Elvis, Diana, Whitney, the list goes on). But if you seek publicity for your own professional gain, can you expect the media to not publish what you view to be your private life, when that works for their gain? I liken this to Princess Diana who the "media killed" but although hounded by the press, Diana thrived off the press for other things and was regularly a source for stories that were damning of the royal family. In the end she was killed by a drunk driver speeding.

It seems Caroline had her demons and must have felt she couldn't overcome these. It's incredibly sad that she believed death to be her only way out, but I think there was more at play in Caroline's life than just the newspaper headlines.

I get your point but when you are advised to stay away from the media and the media keeps attacking you, what exactly are you supposed to do? If this was "Joe Public" the media wouldn't touch it in fear of repercussions on the case, but because she was a celebrity, it suddenly makes it ok? Where is the logic in that eh?
 
I'm not saying the media shouldn't share some of the blame, far from it. I think some of the 'exclusive' images The Sun published in relation to the court case should have been deemed contempt of court. Not sure how the CPS thought she could get a fair trial after that. But if you look at how "jo public" reacts to various celebs for one thing or another on social media, it's tough out there. I mean just this morning people were criticising Richard Madeley on Twitter, probably the same people tellung everyone to 'be kind' yesterday.

It has been interesting to see how other celebs have come out to publicly to 'condemn' the media since Caroline's death. I don't remember them publicly supporting her when she was arrested for assault and was being trolled on social media. Where were they then, when Caroline needed that public support? Possibly thinking about how publicly supporting her would affect their own public image.
 

I'm very sorry to hear of anyone's death and and when anyone takes their own life it's particularly distressing. Until this weekend I'd never heard of Caroline Flack but the tv news companies seem to have gone into overdrive. I understand she was a tv presenter. Does that job really put her in the 'A list' of 'celebrities' these days? I rarely watch tv and have never understood the cult of celebrity.

If someone is a top footballer I'll watch them play. If someone else is a gifted musician I'll listen to them perform. Beyond that I have no interest in their private life or their views on Brexit or why glaciers are apparently melting just because of who they are, unless they happen to be experts on that too.

Aviador made a valid point about celebrities (or their agents or management companies) being happy to cultivate the press when it suits them but complaining at other times. They really can't expect to have it both ways. If someone is libelled and there is proof the so-called celebrities usually have the wherewithal to institute legal proceedings if they feel the need.

Perversely, this woman's death has given the news media even more to write and talk about her.
 
Harry Gregg. Manchester United and Northern Ireland goalkeeper aged 87 and survivor of the Munich plane crash in 1958 where he went above and beyond the call of duty:

"Gregg escaped from the burning wreckage but went back in and brought Vera Lukic, the pregnant wife of a Yugoslav diplomat, and her young daughter, Vesna, to safety..... He returned to the plane and dragged out injured United pair Bobby Charlton and Dennis Viollet, and came to the aid of manager Matt Busby and fellow Northern Ireland international Jackie Blanchflower.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30383827
The word hero is vastly overused these days but Harry Gregg's actions at the Munich air disaster were clearly heroic, not that he would have agreed. Not only that but he was playing for Manchester United again within two weeks. I can't help thinking these days he would have been counselled to the nth degree and convinced that his mental state should mean no more football for months.

He was a boyhood hero of mine; the game of football is not heroic but young boys are allowed some licence. When I was growing up people kept telling me that I would be a professional footballer. I was a goalkeeper but in the end my early promise came to nothing and after a few years in a mediocre semi-professional league I gave up the game in my mid-20s for family and work reasons.

Before I began playing regularly (with a local men's team at 14 - probably would not be allowed these days) I used to watch the Bristol league clubs. I had a mentor neighbour who had played in goal for Falkirk in the Scottish League pre-war and he would accompany me to matches. We always stood behind the goal to allow me to watch the goalkeepers.

Around 1956 Bristol City played Doncaster Rovers at home in the old Second Division (today's Championship). In goal for Doncaster that day was Harry Gregg (before he later joined Manchester United). His display was immaculate so far as I can recall (but I was a young fan of his so might have had on my rose-tinted specs but I don't think so). Immaculate that is until a big Wiltshireman called John Atyeo (almost certainly Bristol City's greatest ever player) decided to let fly from 20 yards. The ball sailed through the air like a cannon ball and had hit the back of the net before anyone, including Harry Gregg, could move. Remember this was an old-fashioned, heavy leather football but Big John had a cannon in either foot and could head like Tommy Lawton, and I doubt that anyone could hit today's lightweight footballs any harder.

So what was Harry Gregg's reponse? He just stood there and applauded. I've never seen anything like that reaction before or since, neither had my mentor. I was 12 years old at the time and that glimpse of sportsmanship has remained with me throughout my life. I followed Harry Gregg's career for the rest of his playing days and there is no doubt he was a wonderful goalkeeper.

Furthermore, any interview with him that I've watched shows an unassuming man who was apt to be self-deprecating. I'm so glad he enjoyed a longish lifetime innings, albeit with some family tragedies along the way. He deserved his longevity for so many reasons.

Sincere condolences to his loved ones and RIP, Hero of Munich.
 
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I'm very sorry to hear of anyone's death and and when anyone takes their own life it's particularly distressing. Until this weekend I'd never heard of Caroline Flack but the tv news companies seem to have gone into overdrive. I understand she was a tv presenter. Does that job really put her in the 'A list' of 'celebrities' these days? I rarely watch tv and have never understood the cult of celebrity.

I know it's strange what determines who is a celebrity but for those who grew up watching CBBC in the 2000's she would have been well known and because she's presented big shows on commercial TV with ITV and that generation would have watched her as a child and then into adulthood, I suspect that's why they have made a big thing of it, other than the impending legal case against her...
 
One of the BBC's "Eggheads" has passed away. David Rainford was only 51. He went to the same school as me (I was in the year above him). Practically banned from playing on pub's quiz machines due to his encyclopedic knowledge (and yes, even back then, he knew all sorts of random things) https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/tributes-paid-after-death-eggheads-17882735
In its early days my wife and I occasionally watched Eggheads. David Rainford wasn't in it then but in later years we might watch it for 10 or 15 minutes now and again (I watch very little television) but we found the pace very slow - contestants given far too long to answer questions - which is why we stopped watching in the first place.

In those later years David Rainford was sometimes in the Eggheads team. He certainly seemed to have a wide knowledge of all manner of subjects.

Very saddened to learn of his death, especially at such an early age. RIP and condolences to his loved ones.
 
Very sad to hear about the passing of Peter Whittingham after falling down the stairs at his home. He was only 35 years old :(

From his time at Villa I seem to remember he had a vicious strike with his left foot. I think he went on to be quite a player at Cardiff.
 
Very sad to hear about the passing of Peter Whittingham after falling down the stairs at his home. He was only 35 years old :(

From his time at Villa I seem to remember he had a vicious strike with his left foot. I think he went on to be quite a player at Cardiff.
His death has now been confirmed? There seemed to be uncertainty on some football messaqge boards earlier this evening.

Dreadfully sad news and condolences to his loved ones. Like many left-footed players down the years his left peg appeared to be supremely educated and he could make the ball do all sorts of tricks seemingly not always available to predominanrly right-footed players.

My memories of him are when he was playing for Cardiff City. I never saw him play 'in the flesh' but often on tv. He leaves at such a young age. RIP
 
His death has now been confirmed? There seemed to be uncertainty on some football messaqge boards earlier this evening.

I saw THIS article and feared the worst. I've looked further and found nothing on any other news outlets or even a statement on the Cardiff City wensite so I'm assuming that he is still fighting on?

Apologies for not double checking before posting, lets hope that he can pull through.
 

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