Route Development & Rumours

[nwoody2001]

for easy Ray (not criticism) but might be worth putting the above list on alphabetical order of country?

 

[Ray Finkle]

Well I was still half asleep

I was going to do each country alphabetically but I copied the list off the route maps that were done a few months ago.

I forgot Alghero had been dropped but could have sworn that I was pricing up flights to Split not long ago. I believe Izmir is still served by Thomas Cook?

Can't believe I forgot Islamabad

 

[Ray Finkle]

Updated and hopefully correct. I still get 144?

Germany

Hamburg
Hanover
Berlin
Munich
Frankfurt
Stuttgart
Dusseldorf
Paderborn

Belgium

Brussels

Holland

Amsterdam
Rotterdam

Luxembourg

Luxembourg

Iceland

Keflavik

Denmark

Copenhagen

Finland

Enontekio
Kittila
Roveniemi
Ivalo

Italy

Rome
Milan
Verona
Catania
Naples
Venice
Turin
Genoa

United Kingdom

Edinburgh
Glasgow
Aberdeen
Inverness
Isle of Man
Newcastle
Guernsey
Jersey
Belfast International
Belfast City
Newquay
Gibraltar

Ireland

Dublin
Knock
Waterford
Shannon
Cork

France

Paris
Lyon
Brest
Avignon
Perpignon
Rennes
La Rochelle
Nantes
Biarritz
Bordeaux
Bergerac
Nice
Grenoble
Chembery
Bastia
Limoges

Switzerland

Zurich
Geneva

Austria

Innsbruck
Salzburg

Malta

Malta

Cyprus

Larnaca
Paphos

Greece

Corfu
Kefalonia
Zakynthos
Kalamata
Preveza
Chania
Heraklion
Rhodes
Kos
Santorini
Athens
Mytilene
Kavala
Skiathos

Turkey

Izmir
Bodrum
Dalaman
Antalya
Istanbul

Spain

Madrid
Barcelona
Lleida
Girona
Alicante
Malaga
Murcia
Almeria
Mahon
Palma
Ibiza
Reus
Tenerife
Las Palmas
Arrecife
Fuerteventura

Portugal

Lisbon
Faro
Porto Santo
Sal
Boa Vista

Poland

Warsaw
Poznan
Wroclaw
Krakow
Gdansk
Katowice
Bydgoszcz

Hungary

Budapest

Lituania

Vilnius

Czech Republic

Prague

Slovakia

Bratislava

Romania

Bucharest

Bulgaria

Sofia
Bourgas

Croatia

Pula
Dubrovnik

Egypt

Sharm El Sheik
Hurghada

Tunisia

Enfidah
Djerba

Morocco

Agadir
Marrakech

Gambia

Banjul

Canada

Toronto

United States of America

New York JFK
New York Newark
Orlando Sanford

Mexico

Cancun

Jamaica

Montego Bay

Dominican Republic

Punta Cana

Barbados

Bridgetown

Qatar

Doha

United Arab Emirates

Dubai International
Dubai Al Maktoum

Turkmenistan

Ashgabat

India

Delhi
Amritsar

Pakistan

Islamabad

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Ray - I think the Gibraltarians might have a thing or two to say about their country being put in Spain. On the other hand, you might expect an invitation for a free holiday in Spain dropping through your letter box very soon courtesy of Prime Minister Rajoy.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Now amended again.

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Ray - I think the Gibraltarians might have a thing or two to say about their country being put in Spain. On the other hand, you might expect an invitation for a free holiday in Spain dropping through your letter box very soon courtesy of Prime Minister Rajoy.

Sorry, gentlemen. I hope I don't cause offence, but that did make me laugh.

Regards

Kevin

 

[Laddu]

Hello all, security firm just let slip that they have air china contract. 4 times a week from July. Might be rumour spreading but then again this is the rumour forum

 

[IanFarquharson]

I heard last night that the coach company who have run the Chinese tours from BHX for the past few years had spent a lot of money in adding Chinese writing to their coaches in anticipatation of a 2016 programme.
But they have not heard anything since about 2016 flights

I am convinced we will see a scheduled service I hope you are correct Laddu and it is Air China at 4pw

 

[Laddu]

Well I believe security were told they have signed a contract for a Chinese airline but I wouldn't bet on wether or not he's right about it being 'air china'... there are alot of Chinese carriers

 

[nwoody2001]

For clarity, its worth re-iterating that the for any Chinese airline want to fly into the UK, they have to apply to the CAAC (the Chinese version of the CAA) to operate flights. So Far Beijing Capital Airlines have applied to operate 1x weekly Beijing and 1x weekly Hangzhou from June 2016. If another airline would wish to operate those routes or change frequencies, a new application would be required.

In which case, if the above is true, there will be an application on the CAAC website. All applications are published in the public domain but it takes a lot of digging to find out the info....

 

[nwoody2001]

and not to criticize Ray but here is his list if full alphabetical order to easier reading... ray feel free to replace if you think its better....

Austria (2)

1. Innsbruck
2. Salzburg

Barbados (1)

1. Bridgetown

Belgium (1)

1. Brussels

Bulgaria (2)

1. Bourgas
2. Sofia

Canada (1)

1. Toronto

Croatia (2)

1. Dubrovnik
2. Pula

Cyprus (2)

1. Larnaca
2. Paphos

Czech Republic (1)

1. Prague

Denmark (1)

1. Copenhagen

Dominican Republic (1)

1. Punta Cana

Egypt (2)

1. Hurghada
   
2. Sharm El Sheik

France (16)

1. Avignon
   
2. Bastia
   
3. Bergerac
   
4. Biarritz
   
5. Bordeaux
   
6. Brest
   
7. Chembery
   
8. Grenoble
   
9. La Rochelle
   
10. Limoges
    
11. Lyon
    
12. Nantes
    
13. Nice
    
14. Paris
    
15. Perpignon
    
16. Rennes

Finland (4)

1. Enontekio
   
2. Ivalo
   
3. Kittila
   
4. Roveniemi

Gambia (1)

1. Banjul

Germany (8)

1. Berlin
   
2. Dusseldorf
   
3. Frankfurt
   
4. Hamburg
   
5. Hanover
   
6. Munich
   
7. Paderborn
   
8. Stuttgart

Gibraltar (1)

1. Gibraltar

Greece (14)

1. Athens
   
2. Chania
   
3. Corfu
   
4. Heraklion
   
5. Kalamata
   
6. Kavala
   
7. Kefalonia
   
8. Kos
   
9. Mytilene
   
10. Preveza
    
11. Rhodes
    
12. Santorini
    
13. Skiathos
    
14. Zakynthos

Holland (2)

1. Amsterdam
   
2. Rotterdam

Hungary (1)

1. Budapest

Iceland (1)

1. Keflavik

India (2)

1. Amritsar
   
2. Delhi

Ireland (5)

1. Cork
   
2. Dublin
   
3. Knock
   
4. Shannon
   
5. Waterford

Italy (8)

1. Catania
   
2. Genoa
   
3. Milan
   
4. Naples
   
5. Rome
   
6. Turin
   
7. Venice
   
8. Verona

Jamaica (1)

1. Montego Bay

Lituania (1)

1. Vilnius

Luxembourg (1)

1. Luxembourg

Malta (1)

1. Malta

Mexico (1)

1. Cancun

Morocco (2)

1. Agadir
   
2. Marrakech

Pakistan (1)

1. Islamabad

Poland (7)

1. Bydgoszcz
   
2. Gdansk
   
3. Katowice
   
4. Krakow
   
5. Poznan
   
6. Warsaw
   
7. Wroclaw

Portugal (5)

1. Boa Vista
   
2. Faro
   
3. Lisbon
   
4. Porto Santo
   
5. Sal

Qatar (1)

1. Doha

Romania (1)

1. Bucharest

Slovakia (1)

1. Bratislava

Spain (16)

1. Alicante
   
2. Almeria
   
3. Arrecife
   
4. Barcelona
   
5. Fuerteventura
   
6. Girona
   
7. Ibiza
   
8. Las Palmas
   
9. Lleida
   
10. Madrid
    
11. Mahon
    
12. Malaga
    
13. Murcia
    
14. Palma
    
15. Reus
    
16. Tenerife

Switzerland (2)

1. Geneva
   
2. Zurich

Tunisia (2)

1. Enfidah
   
2. Djerba

Turkey (5)

1. Antalya
   
2. Bodrum
   
3. Dalaman
   
4. Istanbul
   
5. Izmir

Turkmenistan (1)

1. Ashgabat

United Arab Emirates (2)

1. Dubai Al Maktoum
   
2. Dubai International

United Kingdom (11)

1. Aberdeen
   
2. Belfast City
   
3. Belfast International
   
4. Edinburgh
   
5. Glasgow
   
6. Guernsey
   
7. Inverness
   
8. Isle of Man
   
9. Jersey
   
10. Newcastle
    
11. Newquay

United States of America (3)

1. New York (JFK)
   
2. New York (Newark)
   
3. Orlando (Sanford)

No. of Countries = 43
No. of Destination = 144

 

[Ray Finkle]

Much better, thank you

In reference to the 'slip', I'd be interested to know if security did actually say 4 times weekly?

If they've just said that they have the 'contract for a Chinese airline' then it's pretty much nailed on to be Capital Airlines.

On the other hand if they have actually said a 'Chinese airline with 4x weekly flights' then, Capital Airlines or not, this changes matters significantly?

 

[Brum X]

And I suppose if BHX and Beijing Capital are going for the full scheduled flights rather than charter, could be why the date is being pushed back to July 2016, rather than June 2016 ???

If that is the case and Scheduled flights can begin between BHX and china then bring on July 2016.

 

[Laddu]

Regarding the date, 1 security guy said may and the one the next shift said July so middle of June?
Also with them saying four flights would it be counted per leg making two flights a week four jobs for them?

 

[Aceshigh]

Or have they simply gained the security contract for "The original charter" ?

One Chinese airline will be the same as another to your average security guy.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Or have they simply gained the security contract for "The original charter" ?

One Chinese airline will be the same as another to your average security guy.

I think so.

We know Capital Airlines are planning to have 2x weekly flights, so sounds like someone has possibly got a little over excited?

 

[JENNYJET]

I think so.

We know Capital Airlines are planning to have 2x weekly flights, so sounds like someone has possibly got a little over excited?

We were teased with the charters allowing the prospect of convertion to scheduled services. We have had China Southern and Hainan, now we are teased with Capital Airlines and the long shot Air China....Hainan went to Manchester, a political gesture during the State Visit, with no word about BHX.... another tease?

What if....a it IS a big if...Cathay Pacific were to announce a Hong Kong service, it IS China with numerous connections throughout the country.....that would suck some business away from MAN and LHR.

 

[Ray Finkle]

I don't think we'll see Cathay any time soon. From what I hear talks have been held with Singapore Airlines but even if BHX can manage to persuade them I imagine it will come further down the line.

Paul Kehoe has mentioned 'a programme of summer charters' and also Tweeted that 'BCA will advise when ready.' It's just a waiting game now

 

[User001]

Cathay and Singapore are notoriously reserved when it comes to European routes.

Dusseldorf will be Singapores first European route since launching Munich, and Cathay have only just started any meaningful expansion into Europe for many years.

With so many airports wanting China and Far East services, not just in Europe but the rest of the world, I would imagine it would have to be a damn good offer to get a serious look in due to the sheer demand of finate resources.

 

[Aceshigh]

Do we know load factors on the EmiratesA380 and Qatar flights ?