ACL Birmingham Slot Allocation

[Kevin Farnell]

impossible to tell with some airlines what aircraft will be operated, you have missed Air France A220's, Brussels the CR9, Lufthansa, CR9s, CRXs, Loganair AT72

I can think of a few more. Air France E170/E190, Turkish A330 (occasional) - there are probably more.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Feel like I’m in trouble by the mistakes I’ve made

Question.Now obviously I’ve divided all the numbers for its aircraft.Now what I’m wanting to is look at how many daily and weekly slots that airlines have asked.How do I do that?

 

[IanFarquharson]

Quite Suprised to see Spice Jet on that list

Spice Jet have been on there a few years

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

According to my estimates.

A total of 191,576 seats were requested by Qatar which was divided by 616 flights which gave me an average score of 311 seats

B788
248 pax
B789
296 pax

Looks like we’ve got 2 daily.

Seriously though I don’t know if I’ve done it correctly yet

 

[gulftraveller]

Qatar have a habit of keeping their options open by applying for two ‘banks’ with the largest capacity on a daily frequency. It allows flexibility. If you recall, last ACL round had BHX-DOH twice daily on A359 even before the service resumption was announced. Similarly at EDI on a number of occasions. For now expect QTR to be daily B788 split between two banks. If the route does well they will upgrade.

 

[Scania1800]

I see
Emirates have Applied for 2X Daily A380
Qatar 2X daily 787
PLAY for a daily flight
Ryanairs Flights all increasing to 244x weekly

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Turkish 2 daily

 

[Matt995]

According to my estimates.

A total of 191,576 seats were requested by Qatar which was divided by 616 flights which gave me an average score of 311 seats

B788
248 pax
B789
296 pax

Looks like we’ve got 2 daily.

Seriously though I don’t know if I’ve done it correctly yet

yes 311 seats, which is the seating capacity for their B789s :- https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qatar-Airways

we won't see twice daily from them over winter, they hold the twice daily slots so they can fly a few early morning flights, and a few lunch time flights, the same as the upcoming summer services

I see
Emirates have Applied for 2X Daily A380
Qatar 2X daily 787
PLAY for a daily flight
Ryanairs Flights all increasing to 244x weekly

don't know where people are getting Emirates double daily A380 from this winter?

their request is for a total of 321,244 seats, so divided that by the 616 flights, gives a seat average of 521.5 per flight

A388 2 class has 615 seats (EK39/40), B77W 2 class 428 seats (EK37/38), 615 + 428 = 1,043 seats a day

divide 1,043 seat by the 2 flights, gives 521.5 seats per flight, the slots they have requested!

2 A388s would be 615 x2 = 1,230 a day so 1,230 x 616 flights = 757,680 seats for the winter period.

 

[Scania1800]

yes 311 seats, which is the seating capacity for their B789s :- https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qatar-Airways

we won't see twice daily from them over winter, they hold the twice daily slots so they can fly a few early morning flights, and a few lunch time flights, the same as the upcoming summer services



don't know where people are getting Emirates double daily A380 from this winter?

their request is for a total of 321,244 seats, so divided that by the 616 flights, gives a seat average of 521.5 per flight

A388 2 class has 615 seats (EK39/40), B77W 2 class 428 seats (EK37/38), 615 + 428 = 1,043 seats a day

divide 1,043 seat by the 2 flights, gives 521.5 seats per flight, the slots they have requested!

2 A388s would be 615 x2 = 1,230 a day so 1,230 x 616 flights = 757,680 seats for the winter period.

That’s what I’ve been thinking, but many people claiming it’s double A380…

 

[Nethercote2019]

Good to see Valencia & Seville mentioned

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

So from my understanding this is how airlines will increase at bhx this Winter.By the way it’s my thoughts

1. Aegean Airlines:requested 40 slots :1 Weekly​
2. Air France:Requested 1,038 slots:23/24 weekly ​
3. Air India: Requested 308 slots: Daily​
4. Aer lingus:Request 798 slots:18 Weekly ​
5. Air China :Requested 132 slots:3 weekly ​
6. Eastern airways :Requested 2,072 slots:18 weekly ​
7. easyjet Europe:Requestd 1,078 slots :24 weekly ​
8. emirates:Requested 616 slots:2 Daily 14 weekly ​
9. Eurowings: Requested 436 slots:9/10 weekly​
10. Easyjet Swiss:Requested 512 slots:11/12 Weekly ​
11. Easyjet Uk Requested 2,502 slots:57/58 weekly ​
12. Ryanair Request 6,181 slots: 100/101 weekly flights ​
13. FedEx request 44 slots : 1 weekly ​
14. Air Auringy request 308 slots:1 daily ​
15. KLM request 1,392 slots :31/32 weekly flights​
16. Lufthansa request 1,802 slots:40/41 Weekly flights ​
17. Loganair Request 1,258 slots: 28/29 weekly flights ​
18. Jet2 request 3,807 slots :87/88 weekly flights ​
19. Swiss airline’s request 292 slots: 6/7 weekly flights ​
20. Qatar Airways request 308 slots: Daily​
21. Blue islands request 236 slots:5/6 weekly flights ​
22. Scandinavian Airlines request 260 slots:5/6 weekly ​
23. Brussels airlines request 528 slots:12 weekly ​
24. maersk air cargo Request 6 slots:N/A​
25. Saudia request 132 slots:3 weekly flights ​
26. Turkish Airlines request 616 slots :2 Daily 14 weekly ​
27. Tui airline’s request 2,497 slots :56/57 weekly​
28. Vueling request 166 slots: 4 weekly flights​
29. Wizz air Malta request 484 slots: 11 weekly ​
30. wizz air Hungary request 412 slots:9/10 weekly ​
31. Corendon Request 18 slots :N/A​
32. Zimex Aviation request 441 slots:11 weekly​
33. Sun express request 90 slots:2 weekly ​

Can someone let me know how I’ve done please and remind me if I forgot an airline please

 

[nwoody2001]

You have "Eastern airways :Requested 2,072 slots:18 weekly" but the EA code is actually Emerald Airlines so these are the slots to Operate BHX to BHD/DUB Routes for a point of clarity.

Also, Aegean Airlines BHX-ATH are only bookable up until early Jan. Good slot requests are in as it would be good to see this route go truly year-round....

 

[JENNYJET]

Air China? A dark horse or progress for BHX?

 

[nwoody2001]

Hopefully the later but alas., only time will tell....

LHR, LGW, MAN and EDI all have direct scheduled connections with China so BHX would be the obvious next new UK Destination when it comes online. The West Mids large Chinese population and with Birmingham and Warwick being very popular with Chinese students, we hopefully have a good base to build.

Fingers crossed...

 

[gulftraveller]

The Midlands expatriate population plus students is surely not enough to justify a three weekly flight (considering online figures). I would imagine inbound tourism is the most likely potential source.

EDI-PEK must depend on inbound tourists as its expatriate and student population is nowhere near enough to justify a regular service. Hainan’s l/fs on the route first time round were terrible.

 

[nwoody2001]

I agree, expatriate population plus students will no where be enough to sustain such a route alone, but it certainly will help. Expats, Students, Tourism, Cargo, Ongoing Global Connectivity, Marketing and any Govt Support will all play their role in the viability of such a route, but im pretty confident there are good foundation on to build such a proposition.

With the largest population in the world and a growing middle class (which is due to grow be another 80million - more than the population of the UK - by 2030), it should be an obvious opportunity for growth at BHX assuming a positive/amicable social, economic and political environment can be maintained.

 

[David Cartwright]

China should not be discounted as a transit point for onward travel within SE Asia and the Oceania region . I believe Sydney hosts 7 Chinese airlines daily for example , and an Air China service could well be of great benefit to ex pats and others who wish to use such a service . China is a massive market , yet to be fully opened up , once it is we could easily see a big demand . As an expat Brit living in Sydney , personally I’d love to see a PEK - BHX service , it would open up so many options for me .

 

[Timberwolf]

Air China? A dark horse or progress for BHX?

whichever, it's progress anyway to at least have them put slots in for BHX for the first time.

 

[JENNYJET]

...............and China Southern does not seek slots, the airline that gave our new extension of R33 legitimacy?

 

[Timberwolf]

...............and China Southern does not seek slots, the airline that gave our new extension of R33 legitimacy?

Very different ,China Southern didn't put in for scheduled slots out of BHX.

A Chinese travel agent just used China Southern for a small number of the travel agents package charter holidays.The airline not directly involved much in the build up.