Leeds Bradford: Jet2 Route News & Base Updates

[pug]

That’s been their strategy for about the last 10 years! A successful one too - aren’t they the biggest tour operator in terms of ATOL seat number?

Yes they are, they’ve completely overtaken TUI as the UK’s leading package holiday provider. easyJet want in, which they will do by offering more affordable holidays but without the same experience as Jet2 from start to finish. I think there is room for both, there’s a large amount of beds on the market that were otherwise taken by Russian operators and as Jet2 take the higher and mid cost market because of that service, easyjet will be able to appeal to those that want a package holiday but don’t have the money. I see this only as a good thing as it will provide more choice to the customer, how sustainable it is remains to be seen.

I think there is more to todays news than just natural expansion.

 

[mullion]

Luton was always Monarch and TUI so they will hurt TUI in a great way

 

[Silvercity]

Should conversations about Luton not be in the Luton thread ?

 

[The Pole]

Should conversations about Luton not be in the Luton thread ?

No everything goes in the DSA thread

 

[Finger66]

Should conversations about Luton not be in the Luton thread ?

In theory yes but I think this was relevant here because there has been discussion around how/if U2 may respond at LBA and it possibly being a tit-for-tat move with LS going into LTN so I took it as a response to that.

The one thing I really do like though is that discussion in general re LBA has spiked today with some positive announcements, so long may that continue

 

[LBA4EVER]

I guess this answers another question regarding runway performance of the A321neos at LBA, if there using them on LTNs shorter runway then no issues at LBA, im aware of terrain on the R32 dep but it gives us an idea now even though i didnt think they were issues anyway.

 

[pug]

I guess this answers another question regarding runway performance of the A321neos at LBA, if there using them on LTNs shorter runway then no issues at LBA, im aware of terrain on the R32 dep but it gives us an idea now even though i didnt think they were issues anyway.

it’s NOT about runway length… This has been done to death already.

The 321 will be in LBA eventually but there are certain things that need to be done first before they will put them in there, it’s all stuff that goes on behind closed doors to satisfy certain external stakeholders. Nothing more. Logically LBA is a Boeing base now, they would have to recruit Leeds based pilots onto the Airbus amongst other things. Not a problem for Luton. There will be people in the business that want the 321 in LBA as soon as possible so it’s going to happen, it’s just a case of when and those will be business decisions that have a lot of variables than what is discussed on these forums or elsewhere.

 

[SierraHotel]

Has anyone seen the film "Groundhog Day"?

 

[Finger66]

Has anyone seen the film "Groundhog Day"?

 

[White Heather]

Has anyone seen the film "Groundhog Day"?

Has anyone seen the film "Groundhog Day"?

Has anyone seen the film Deja Vu?

 

[LBA4EVER]

Has anyone seen the film Deja Vu?

Well to everyone on here, sorry i spoke!! Haha, on a serious note it was a positive comment aimed at our airport and im aware there is more to it than just runway length! It aint just about length!

 

[The Pole]

Can't remember!

 

[White Heather]

Well to everyone on here, sorry i spoke!! Haha, on a serious note it was a positive comment aimed at our airport and im aware there is more to it than just runway length! It aint just about length!

Apologies but my post wasn't a comment relating to your post, (although I can now see why you thought it was). My post was relating to the fact there were two almost identical posts, one after t'other, from two different members, creating a feeling of Deja Vu when I read the second one. That's why I quoted both of those posts, and not yours.

There's method in my madness, see?

 

[Finger66]

As there was in mine for posting identical wording. Just a bit of fun

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Logically LBA is a Boeing base now, they would have to recruit Leeds based pilots onto the Airbus amongst other things.

Except their recent moves defy “logic”.

Edinburgh was a B737-800 base until recently. Glasgow and London Stansted are until next year when the Airbus A321 will appear. Birmingham was until 2 years ago. I guess the point I’m making here is what “type of base” it is is irrelevant.

They also wouldn’t have to recruit - they’d re train the required number for the aircraft that were to be based.

 

[Len Fish]

As there was in mine for posting identical wording. Just a bit of fun

Behave yourself, you know fun is banned!

 

[pug]

Except their recent moves defy “logic”.

Edinburgh was a B737-800 base until recently. Glasgow and London Stansted are until next year when the Airbus A321 will appear. Birmingham was until 2 years ago. I guess the point I’m making here is what “type of base” it is is irrelevant.

They also wouldn’t have to recruit - they’d re train the required number for the aircraft that were to be based.

It isn’t entirely irrelevant. The Glasgow and Edi bases are being crewed by some people moving fleets and new recruits. It’s multi faceted but the issue at the moment will not be one of where to put the capacity but where can they recruit people straight into the LHS. GLA, EDI are both easyjet bases with people probably moving across. STN and LTN are probably not going to struggle to recruit Airbus rated flight crew. Neither was Manchester or Birmingham.

There’s going to be a lot of reasons why certain bases convert before others, one of the LBA reasons has already been mentioned and it’s not one of incapability but more one of various other issues that they will want to get sorted before putting them in there, but it might not be too long before they do. Who knows.

Fact is they have put the aircraft into other bases first so you can argue the point all you want, the evidence is the fact that they have. They will be rolled out to other bases as more become available and there will be people in the company who want to see them in LBA asap so whether that hastens their arrival or not I don’t know, but more will arrive next year so it stands to reason that more bases will start to see it.

 

[BCFC]

Well to everyone on here, sorry i spoke!! Haha, on a serious note it was a positive comment aimed at our airport and im aware there is more to it than just runway length! It aint just about length!

You need width as well so somebody told me,

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

It isn’t entirely irrelevant. The Glasgow and Edi bases are being crewed by some people moving fleets and new recruits. It’s multi faceted but the issue at the moment will not be one of where to put the capacity but where can they recruit people straight into the LHS. GLA, EDI are both easyjet bases with people probably moving across. STN and LTN are probably not going to struggle to recruit Airbus rated flight crew. Neither was Manchester or Birmingham.

The new recruits are likely to be coming from their cadet scheme they have. The issue is multi faceted but I would say that the recruitment and resourcing element is a small % of the thought process over actually where they want them for a number of reasons (capacity, environmental as per LBA/EDI , night slots etc etc). In fact the element of planning is more commercially driven then any other reason to base A321s where they want them.

Recruitment was easy post TCX however is now coming harder. Pilots are become scarce with an element of competition in the job market. All this well document on the dried fruit forum or if your within the circles of pilot recruitment, training etc.

Fact is they have put the aircraft into other bases first so you can argue the point all you want, the evidence is the fact that they have. They will be rolled out to other bases as more become available and there will be people in the company who want to see them in LBA asap so whether that hastens their arrival or not I don’t know, but more will arrive next year so it stands to reason that more bases will start to see it.

Wasn't arguing the point with you nor saying it's irrelevant. I was simply saying there is no logic in your bold statement "logically that LBA is a Boeing base" when in fact if you look - the same can be said for EDI, GLA, STN & BHX. No matter which base it is - all are /were Boeing bases and it requires investment from the company to assist in setting up a pool of airbus pilots at the said bases - mostly probably from Boeing to Airbus conversion with Boeing then been open up to cadet scheme.

There is also a finite amount of resources (A321 in this case) available to them on a slower delivery schedule. So of course they need to go where the airline need them most desperately - either where they cannot grow beyond the limits of the airport (MAN in this case, BHX to an extent), where they need and want volume (MAN, BHX, STN) or where there is environmental concerns / slot restraints that limits their growth (EDI as case in point).

 

[pilot_737]

No idea why any pilot would swap orange to silver at EDI/GLA or any base for that matter!
If easyJet come to LBA they will have no issue finding pilots locally!!!