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[pug]

The new recruits are likely to be coming from their cadet scheme they have. The issue is multi faceted but I would say that the recruitment and resourcing element is a small % of the thought process over actually where they want them for a number of reasons (capacity, environmental as per LBA/EDI , night slots etc etc). In fact the element of planning is more commercially driven then any other reason to base A321s where they want them.

Recruitment was easy post TCX however is now coming harder. Pilots are become scarce with an element of competition in the job market. All this well document on the dried fruit forum or if your within the circles of pilot recruitment, training etc.



Wasn't arguing the point with you nor saying it's irrelevant. I was simply saying there is no logic in your bold statement "logically that LBA is a Boeing base" when in fact if you look - the same can be said for EDI, GLA, STN & BHX. No matter which base it is - all are /were Boeing bases and it requires investment from the company to assist in setting up a pool of airbus pilots at the said bases - mostly probably from Boeing to Airbus conversion with Boeing then been open up to cadet scheme.

There is also a finite amount of resources (A321 in this case) available to them on a slower delivery schedule. So of course they need to go where the airline need them most desperately - either where they cannot grow beyond the limits of the airport (MAN in this case, BHX to an extent), where they need and want volume (MAN, BHX, STN) or where there is environmental concerns / slot restraints that limits their growth (EDI as case in point).

The FSO scheme delivers Second Officers. What they need and are I understand short of is TRE and line training captains and also line captains, you’ll never struggle to fill the RHS anywhere. Of course most decisions are commercially driven and like in the case of LBA, it is not just the bums on seats or environmental aspects. I won’t go into detail, it was put well by someone else when they likened it to insurance on a car, but eventually that insurance will reduce when it’s proven that the car is being driven sensibly. If you get my drift that’s the situation at the moment as I understand it. Plus LBA is the only 733 base so there is only so much capacity short of moving some of the 800’s out to make way for the 321. This will factor into any decisions.

Like I say, LBA will get them in due course, but they are rolling them out elsewhere for all sorts of reasons and in order to put them into a base you need a large enough pool of pilots ready to crew them. Why do you think there have been so many pilot roadshows down south recently? Particularly ones in Luton!

No idea why any pilot would swap orange to silver at EDI/GLA or any base for that matter!
If easyJet come to LBA they will have no issue finding pilots locally!!!

I’m sure you’ve heard the stories. Some have moved though, horses for courses. It might force the hand to implement some more roster improvements - could it include fixed patterns? it’s going to have to happen at some point.

 

[Finger66]

No idea why any pilot would swap orange to silver at EDI/GLA or any base for that matter!
If easyJet come to LBA they will have no issue finding pilots locally!!!

Yes they would be bananas to swap from orange!

 

[LBA4EVER]

You need width as well so somebody told me,

Who told you that? Questions need to be asked here! Haha At 46metres across our runway is a good width, alot wider than many in fact.

Im aware the jet2 A321s would provide more capacity but why all this hate for the B737s! All that seems to be discussed is the need for A321s at LBA. The B737s especially the 800s have served us well and have proved to be very usable into the airfield with no major issues. Im aware further afield destinations could be reached with A321s but lets not forgot it all started with those 737-300s then 800s, they deserve praise!

 

[Len Fish]

Not forgetting the brand new 800s delivered from Boeing around six years ago, so short of getting rid of them they have to operate out of a Jet2 base somewhere for many years to come.

 

[Ian Gratton]

I’m more than happy for the 300’s and the 800’s to remain at LBA. A much more comfortable aircraft to fly on with the extra leg room they provide over the A321’s.

 

[Aviador]

Behave yourself, you know fun is banned!

Mr Fingers66 is behaving himself. It's you I need to be watching now.

If Jet2 wanted to, it could offload the 737 aircraft quickly and swap to an all Airbus fleet. They don't have to hang onto those 737s until they go to the wreckers. The Airbus family is new to Jet2. We know the A320neo and A321neo offer exceptional performance but Jet2 may wish to bed in the Airbus feet before committing to 100% Airbus.

 

[Len Fish]

Mr Fingers66 is behaving himself. It's you I need to be watching now.

I can’t see an all Airbus fleet happening in the short term, especially as Jet2 have been adding additional second hand 800’s to the fleet, presumably to increase capacity. In the longer term it does make sense to standardise the fleet rather than running two different manufacturers aircraft side by side.

 

[752]

Que all the supporters now suggesting Jet2 should/would/could run W patterns into their beloved airport (CWL,MME,ABZ,DSA...) LTN is a different kettle of fish and an opportunistic one to grab slots and take what they can get. W patterns at a slot constricted airport make sense. Get what they can and grow where they can.

 

[Finger66]

Mr Fingers66 is behaving himself. It's you I need to be watching now.

@Mr Aviador, what do you mean, I ALWAYS behave myself!!!!!!!

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Plus LBA is the only 733 base so there is only so much capacity short of moving some of the 800’s out to make way for the 321. This will factor into any decisions.

The A321 replaced the B737-800; which would in turn replace the B737-300.

Like I say, LBA will get them in due course, but they are rolling them out elsewhere for all sorts of reasons and in order to put them into a base you need a large enough pool of pilots ready to crew them.

It's not about having a large enough pool to have them - it's about ensuring the correct infrastructure is there at the top as you've mentioned. RHS/LHS can all be recruited for when required. Plus movement within he company due to those positions been recruited for.

Que all the supporters now suggesting Jet2 should/would/could run W patterns into their beloved airport (CWL,MME,ABZ,DSA...) LTN is a different kettle of fish and an opportunistic one to grab slots and take what they can get. W patterns at a slot constricted airport make sense. Get what they can and grow where they can.

The trouble with running W patterns into those airports is a) they are replicating the TUI model which I don't think Jet2 like doing and b) there is 0 control on the customer experience from those airports. It would be down to the ground handler to provide the Jet2 customer service aspect. Unless they run a very expensive recruitment campaign for 2 flights a week and basically 3-4 hours.

W patterns are not usually Jet2's go to but over the years they have had them - maybe not at full peak but this summer pre July I'm sure they was running a 737-300 LBA-IBZ-NCL-IBZ-LBA.

They run them to & from bases. It's a shame the PMI & ALC base are not set up as I believe they'd use them to go into LTN.

The real question is - how many ACMI next year.

 

[mullion]

I thought at had already been mentioned that the only lease aircraft due next summer are the 2 A330 at Manchester

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I thought at had already been mentioned that the only lease aircraft due next summer are the 2 A330 at Manchester

With no LTN base. With a LTN base now which wasn’t probably thought of when they released S25 and did fleet numbers that may change.

 

[mullion]

I saw a planned fleet list last week

 

[White Heather]

If LTN is to be partly served by non based aircraft operating W legs, then one or more current bases are going to lose a number of flights that would normally return to their home base, and with it, seat availability. With that in mind I would be delighted if LTN was served entirely be Airbus aircraft without a 737 in sight, as then LBA won't be losing day time rotations.

 

[Bigman]

If LTN is to be partly served by non based aircraft operating W legs, then one or more current bases are going to lose a number of flights that would normally return to their home base, and with it, seat availability. With that in mind I would be delighted if LTN was served entirely be Airbus aircraft without a 737 in sight, as then LBA won't be losing day time rotations.

But what about the night time rotations? If some of ours worked back to Luton overnight instead of here then they wouldn't fall foul of the noise issues which would help to shut that certain bunch up. If Jet2 fill the plane they probably won't mind where it lands

 

[Seasider]

The only problem with that is they would have to LTN "early hours" and the customers will not like that.

 

[White Heather]

But what about the night time rotations? If some of ours worked back to Luton overnight instead of here then they wouldn't fall foul of the noise issues which would help to shut that certain bunch up. If Jet2 fill the plane they probably won't mind where it lands

Yes, I thought that too, but it leaves LBA based crew in LTN and the aircraft not here for our first flights out. All very messy.

 

[Bigman]

Yes, I thought that too, but it leaves LBA based crew in LTN and the aircraft not here for our first flights out. All very messy.

Just hope that I am way off the mark but W legs need to come from somewhere if that is indeed how it will work

 

[Finger66]

Probably from STN as will help with crewing. Really don't think LBA will be affected by this re W patterns

Also thinking about this, whilst the news has only recently broken, they must have been in discussion for some time which gives more scope for sourcing aircraft. Jet2 do usually, and I say usually, know what they are doing.

 

[BCFC]

I’m pretty sure Jet2 know all this and know what they are doing.