Leeds Bradford: General Airport Discussion & Updates

[a300boy]

Same old story.
But if it was my home they wanted to bulldoze I might feel different !
I see Manchester is likely to have 80 plus aircraft based next summer and it also seems to be that more and more Yorkshire people are opting to fly from Manchester and Doncaster as prices are significantly cheaper than Leeds are offering.
I hope the relevant people are aware of this and stop the rot !
People will travel from right next to one airport to another even if it means a night in a hotel which makes little sense time.

 

[Flightlevel330]

Without taking the thread to far from the topic, would this not strengthen the case for a LHR or any London route? Certainly takes Sheffield region and anything further south out of the ring for anything beneficial in regards to an air route, as the environmentalist will scream blue murder having a rail link and an air link, but Leeds will be the opposite of that argument?

 

[Flightlevel330]

Same old story.
But if it was my home they wanted to bulldoze I might feel different !
I see Manchester is likely to have 80 plus aircraft based next summer and it also seems to be that more and more Yorkshire people are opting to fly from Manchester and Doncaster as prices are significantly cheaper than Leeds are offering.
I hope the relevant people are aware of this and stop the rot !
People will travel from right next to one airport to another even if it means a night in a hotel which makes little sense time.

If the prices at MAN are cheeper that suggests over capacity, if the prices are cheeper at DSA that could suggest underperforming routes. Prices at Leeds high? High yield and over performing routes, the Goldilocks spot so to speak, suggest people are making money, which is the aim of the game….

 

[752]

Flightlevel330, absolutely correct, supply and demand.. simple, flights are more expensive at an airport generally due to them being better sold. MAN has a lot of capacity to shift and likely to price wars with competing carriers. DSA Wizz offering extremely cheap fares but I would say that is more down to poor load factors / lack of advertisement then anything else.

 

[a300boy]

But of course it means lost passengers to the opposition airports and the ones I know live within 5 miles of Lba.
For me we must get them to support the local offerings.
Passenger figures are what drives the supply of flights and airlines who wish to operate from an airport.
If this trend continues it hardly supports a new terminal being built and new airlines coming in.

 

[a300boy]

Based on the above opinions I might look at doing the same !
Manchester to Amsterdam is cheaper than Leeds to Amsterdam with more flights and better timings.
Another passenger lost !

 

[752]

On the flip side, I'm sure there are plenty of passengers who prefer/suit the LBA timings and will use that instead hence the price.. LBA cant always be the choice of airport for locals unfortunately, look at Newcastle, the amount of Geordies passing through LBA is high. all down to personal preference, timing and price. MAN / DSA / NCL / LPL will all lose passengers to LBA and vice versa. the way the cookie crumbles..

 

[a300boy]

The point I was trying to make was that the slippage is gathering pace with Wizz Air and an expanding Tui at Doncaster next year and the extra aircraft Manchester will have we need the team at Lba to see the danger on the horizon and take action.
Both these families I referred to have been loyal Lba customers in the past but now tell me the other two airports are in the mix for future holidays.

 

[752]

Yes 100% agree with your point a300boy, like you said, other airports seem to be gathering pace whilst LBA seems stagnent. lets hope for some good news soon. MAN seems to have bounced back well from the Pandemic, DSA has with Wizz base & NCL with FR base.

 

[752]

slightly off topic but some very very pleasant reading this morning

XR to protest at Leeds court as activist sentenced for 'blood on steps'

The climate change activist was arrested in February 2021

www.leeds-live.co.uk

hope they get sentenced in time for xmas 🙂

 

[Aviador]

slightly off topic but some very very pleasant reading this morning

XR to protest at Leeds court as activist sentenced for 'blood on steps'

The climate change activist was arrested in February 2021

www.leeds-live.co.uk

hope they get sentenced in time for xmas 🙂

Funny how there seems to be collaboration between Extinction Rebellion and GALBA. One of the same thing, just as we've thought all along!

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Funny how there seems to be collaboration between Extinction Rebellion and GALBA. One of the same thing, just as we've thought all along!

One of the groups opposed to Bristol Airport expansion went to Glasgow to make their views known. They were shown on tv holding their banners, along with the general knot of environmental demonstrators, near the building where the conference was being held.

I suppose they all walked or cycled from Bristol to Glasgow and back, or perhaps they sailed around the coast.

 

[airforced]

Based on the above opinions I might look at doing the same !
Manchester to Amsterdam is cheaper than Leeds to Amsterdam with more flights and better timings.
Another passenger lost !

Yeah but who really wants to fly from Manchester when we have our own cosy, dilapidated terminal to fly from without the need to venture onto the M62 car park? Now, a new terminal would alter that. We might even stomach fares rising (not).

 

[LBA4EVER]

New terminal = new LBA, until this happens no airlines current or new will entertain us, simple as!
Even the smaller airports around us with far less population around them are expanding with new services!
Will anything ever happen at LBA or will we still see that same old 1960s terminal for decades to come!
In fact after yesterdays hs2 news will anything in leeds occur whatsoever!
No terminal, no trams, no lba rail station, no decent road improvements. The only thing i can think of is the watered down east orbital ring road, even that should of really been a motorway, if it was in mancs it would of been but oh yes they have the m60, a proper ring road!! Angry!

 

[a300boy]

Big expansion of Turkish services at Manchester next summer has been announced !
Wouldn,t it be nice to see some progress here fingers crossed Easyjet hang around.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Big expansion of Turkish services at Manchester next summer has been announced !
Wouldn,t it be nice to see some progress here fingers crossed Easyjet hang around.

No one will entertain us until our infrastructure is sorted, simple as!

 

[Aviador]

No one will entertain us until our infrastructure is sorted, simple as!

Whilst I share your frustration I don't believe you are right. Nobody questioned new flights commencing from Teesside where terminal facilities are in a lower league altogether.

Going back to pre AMP Capital days when Bridgepoint was running the show. It was made very clear that capacity still existed between the peaks and troughs. We have seen the schedule to know this is still the situation now.The problem LBA currently has is those peaks and troughs can't be filled by LBA based capacity. They need to be filled by foriegn based aircraft. This means its harder for LBA to attract airlines to plug the gaps.

 

[HX3]

The issue isn’t the terminal or infrastructure, it is the proximity to Manchester. Unfortunately, MAN will always be prioritised by foreign airlines due to its scale and centralised location relative to extended population. Routes with sufficient demand will then be filled by perceived secondary airports such as LBA and LPL. This does mean than places like Istanbul can be realised, but reality is, it will be after other regions without a larger local neighbour.

 

[Aviador]

The issue isn’t the terminal or infrastructure, it is the proximity to Manchester. Unfortunately, MAN will always be prioritised by foreign airlines due to its scale and centralised location relative to extended population. Routes with sufficient demand will then be filled by perceived secondary airports such as LBA and LPL. This does mean than places like Istanbul can be realised, but reality is, it will be after other regions without a larger local neighbour.

You say that but as in previous discussions where this point pops up I'd argue that this doesn't always have a huge impact. Take Edinburgh and Glasgow for example. It's all down to operators and their willingness to serve both airports. The catchment is here even if the airline isn't.

 

[HX3]

Aviator, I think the main difference regarding GLA and EDI is that Glasgow historically had the charter and limited long haul for all of Scotland, therefore has a legacy impact. Edinburgh had limited charter and historically shuttled custom via London - the difference came when BAA was broken up and Edinburgh could market itself as an inbound tourist destination and get direct routes - many moving from GLA. I agree it’s down to operator willingness, but LBA reality suggests there is no pull effect, so for business and long haul we are limited by Manchester in my opinion.