Leeds Bradford: General Airport Discussion & Updates

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The reductions by Wizz are not recent and have been a gradual process ever since they arrived, but they have cut routes at LPL, GLA and BHX too. They are an airline that is increasingly looking at expansion in Europe rather than the UK and they have already said why, so maintaining what we have now, combined with all flights now being operated by A321NEOs (an increase in seat capacity) is not to be sniffed at. Ignore Wizz UK which is operated as a seperate entity, and is focused entirely on the South East.

Easyjet, according to reports, have seen profits plunge by 70%. They have been badly impacted by the increase in fuel costs, having not hedged as far in advance. They are also in the process of offloading A319 equipment, and a takeover with a future that is currently not so much in doubt, but subject to change. Airlines in this situation often cut back routes to non base airports and clearly that has happened with Easyjet Europe. It does not necessarily mean the route was losing money nor does it mean that Easyjet and LBA have had a fall out as someone suggested. As I reported after the last ACC, when these route losses were already known by LBA management, they did say that there is a longer term future for Easyjet at LBA, which most took as a hint that in the future, a base remained possible.

Sun Express, like Easyjet, was badly hit by rising fuel costs, and a reduction in bookings due to the inflation in Turkey. They dropped EMA without even starting their program and dropped GLA, concentrating on EDI. It is clearly a cost cutting measure that impacts multiple airports.

I keep reading that we have no new routes, but it seems that Jet2 and Ryanair new routes don't count, which is weird. We actually have 6 new routes next year. Only yesterday someone complained a Jet2 poster facing the drop off carpark was outdated as it didn't show all the routes they will operate.

Again, I reported that at the ACC, the Aviation Director stated that whilst the situation is as it is now, any growth will come from increased capacity and additional routes by Jet2 and Ryanair. This should not therefore be a surprise.

Finally, several references have been made to LBA having no chance of hitting 7m passengers. Firstly that was a target by 2030, 4 years away. Secondly, it isn't absolutely vital that is achieved by that year and it is clearly dependent too on resolving matters relating to night movements, which currently restrict further base growth AND the prospect of A321NEOs based any time soon. As stated above, aviation always has bumps in the road and we have one now, but we shouldn't dismiss the fact despite that bump, and the night movement restrictions, and the fact the terminal is a building site, passenger figures at LBA have grown significantly so far in comparison to last years' record.

With a completed terminal, and (hopefully) revisions to the night restrictions, the future of LBA looks bright, and it might even look orange further down the line, provided something else that's orange stops messing with the world economy.
Sorry but I disagree on easyJet. They have been hit by a drop in profits and are subject to a potential takeover (no formal bid yet), but they haven’t cut much across other airports. Infact, they have grown across Southend, Newquay, Southampton, Isle of Man and their larger bases like Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow. LBA is the outlier in the cuts to routes so one has to question why that is.

I stand by what I said earlier, with such limited marketing, how are the general public meant to know what the airlines operates out of Leeds. Walking round the city, you see Jet2 everywhere but absolutely nothing bright Orange!
 
Emotions are clearly starting to run high on this thread and it being a forum we are of course all entitled to our own opinions.
I think the gist of this is that whilst yes LBA is growing pax numbers wise, and at a very respectable rate too, the point is that we could be doing so much better without the already mentioned cuts, for which I am sure there are various reasons for which I think WH has alluded to.
All that won't stop speculation and guesswork for one simple reason: We are all passionate about LBA and want it to succeed, so when the "bumps" do arise I think everyone would just like to fully understand the reasons why and also if those bumps will be longer term
 
Sorry but I disagree on easyJet. They have been hit by a drop in profits and are subject to a potential takeover (no formal bid yet), but they haven’t cut much across other airports. Infact, they have grown across Southend, Newquay, Southampton, Isle of Man and their larger bases like Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow. LBA is the outlier in the cuts to routes so one has to question why that is.

I stand by what I said earlier, with such limited marketing, how are the general public meant to know what the airlines operates out of Leeds. Walking round the city, you see Jet2 everywhere but absolutely nothing bright Orange!
What makes you think that Easyjet themselves are not responsible for their own marketing? If we see nothing out there, then that's as much, if not more, to do with Easyjet as it is LBA marketing. Jet2 market themselves. KLM do the same, as do Aer Lingus yet you seem to think the lack of marketing relative to Easyjet is down to LBA?

Easyjet are a big airline and are perfectly able to market themselves from LBA if they so wish. How airlines and routes are marketed are also the subject of discussion between airport and airline partners and LBA did market the new routes when first announced. Beyond that the main responsibility lies with the airline.

As for the airports you quote, I suspect much of that growth is via Easyjet UK which hasn't really grown here at LBA beyond the Belfast route, which isn't being axed as far as we know. Our growth has all been based on Easyjet Europe. How much of the growth at Southend, Newquay and Southampton is on Europe based aircraft?

Emotions are clearly starting to run high on this thread and it being a forum we are of course all entitled to our own opinions.
I think the gist of this is that whilst yes LBA is growing pax numbers wise, and at a very respectable rate too, the point is that we could be doing so much better without the already mentioned cuts, for which I am sure there are various reasons for which I think WH has alluded to.
All that won't stop speculation and guesswork for one simple reason: We are all passionate about LBA and want it to succeed, so when the "bumps" do arise I think everyone would just like to fully understand the reasons why and also if those bumps will be longer term
The reasons why are covered by the ACC reports. LBA management explain, I report what they say, and readers decide whether to accept the explanation or not. Currently, it seems to be 'not', with suggestions (for example) that LBA management are not up to the job (having just attracted a 51% investment by the world's largest airport operator).
 
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LBA may be coming more and more reliant on Jet2 and Ryanair for increasing passenger numbers, new routes and increased frequencies but the upside is they are both large airlines with savvy management who are more able than many to cope with the the current headwinds which is not only good for them but for LBA as well.
 
Sorry but I disagree on easyJet. They have been hit by a drop in profits and are subject to a potential takeover (no formal bid yet), but they haven’t cut much across other airports. Infact, they have grown across Southend, Newquay, Southampton, Isle of Man and their larger bases like Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow. LBA is the outlier in the cuts to routes so one has to question why that is.

I stand by what I said earlier, with such limited marketing, how are the general public meant to know what the airlines operates out of Leeds. Walking round the city, you see Jet2 everywhere but absolutely nothing bright Orange!
EasyJet in our neck of the woods are concentrating on re-establishing their base and presence up the A1 at Newcastle - thats their current priority in the market in which LBA competes.
Folks should remember it is the airlines which decide where and when to place aircraft irrespective of any incentives/marketing by airports….remember that statement about an airport in the NE who apparently offered incentives to Wizz yet they still chose LBA??

Emotions are clearly starting to run high on this thread and it being a forum we are of course all entitled to our own opinions.
I think the gist of this is that whilst yes LBA is growing pax numbers wise, and at a very respectable rate too, the point is that we could be doing so much better without the already mentioned cuts, for which I am sure there are various reasons for which I think WH has alluded to.
All that won't stop speculation and guesswork for one simple reason: We are all passionate about LBA and want it to succeed, so when the "bumps" do arise I think everyone would just like to fully understand the reasons why and also if those bumps will be longer term
LBA would never share “why” that would be commercially naive……
 
Saying that LBA is responsible for marketing easyJet is wrong.
Saying easyJet is solely responsible for marketing its own flight out of LBA is also wrong.

It is a partnership between both as it benefits both. It benefits LBA through increased passenger numbers & therefore proving to easyJet it's a good airport & can sustain the orange carrier based here.
It benefits easyJet in terms of filling the aircraft - the ability to increase yield and therefore have the data that LBA doesn't just generate the revenue but turns a good profit.

Both have failed only one person - the customer.
 
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