Pakistan International Airlines

[User0001]

Maybe the issue for LBA/B777 is the lack of trained staff.

They may have all the equipment here, but Im sure LBA787 said that his training had been postponed? If his training was postponed, Im assuming all training was?

Before people say 'well get staff over from MAN', the staff at MAN have their own flights to cover, so easier to accept the flight there and be 'slightly overstretched' than be understaffed completely and spread staff thinly on the ground. Even for an airline like PIA, better the pee off pax with bad service on one flight rather than 2 sets of them.

Also, some airport have issues with having ground staff that are not on their airside pass count. Im not sue LBA has this issue, but could also be a factor

 

[The Pole]

Maybe the issue for LBA/B777 is the lack of trained staff.

They may have all the equipment here, but Im sure LBA787 said that his training had been postponed? If his training was postponed, Im assuming all training was?

Before people say 'well get staff over from MAN', the staff at MAN have their own flights to cover, so easier to accept the flight there and be 'slightly overstretched' than be understaffed completely and spread staff thinly on the ground. Even for an airline like PIA, better the pee off pax with bad service on one flight rather than 2 sets of them.

Also, some airport have issues with having ground staff that are not on their airside pass count. Im not sue LBA has this issue, but could also be a factor

Lack of trained staff??? Its just a bigger plane to disembark passengers from, clean, restock and board passengers, other than from a technical point of view, should the plane have an issue what is the difference? That would be like a bus station saying sorry cant accept a double decker coach, we are only used to single decker 50 seaters!!

Rant over! I think its a PIA issue not LBA

 

[User0001]

Lack of trained staff??? Its just a bigger plane to disembark passengers from, clean, restock and board passengers, other than from a technical point of view, should the plane have an issue what is the difference?

I think you are looking at it far too simply.

First off, you need to be trained soecifically on that aircraft for the following:

Tug driver: 3 axle bogey infamous for scrubbing up loose concrete for starters. Its longer so need to have better space awareness.

Dispatcher/TRM: Needs jetbridge or steps training. Higher off tarmac and bigger doors than A310.

Cleaners: More needed for a larger aircraft. Not aware of any specific training needs.

Baggage: Im assuming need training on how to load and balance the holds.

Cant think of what else is needed off the top of my head, but I get the feeling Ive missed something off too.

 

[EX9]

Lack of trained staff??? Its just a bigger plane to disembark passengers from, clean, restock and board passengers, other than from a technical point of view, should the plane have an issue what is the difference?

I think you are looking at it far too simply.

First off, you need to be trained specifically on that aircraft for the following:

Tug driver: 3 axle bogey infamous for scrubbing up loose concrete for starters. Its longer so need to have better space awareness.

Dispatcher/TRM: Needs jetbridge or steps training. Higher off tarmac and bigger doors than A310.

Cleaners: More needed for a larger aircraft. Not aware of any specific training needs.

Baggage: Im assuming need training on how to load and balance the holds.

Cant think of what else is needed off the top of my head, but I get the feeling Ive missed something off too.

Pushback is not a primary issue, one big enough to do so is, whether we have it im not sure unless its a present one that can handle a heavier/bigger a/c.

Wont fit on an airbridge stand at lba and even if it did ASU are responsible for training in its use no dispatcher is air bridge trained its done by ramp techs or ASU if called upon. Plus the airbridge has settings for the a/c type.

Baggage handlers already trained in the use of ULD's and the balancing comes from a load sheet from the dispatcher from load controll from another load control.

Simple requirement is more staff and more space.

 

[lbaspotter]

Just had a thought could it be fire cover thats the problem? Might be that 24 hours notice is notenough...

 

[EX9]

SAT 13th's service has also been cancelled. And yes they always did mention the fact that fire cover would need to be increased at the time of its operation however i don't know whether that is in terms of staff or another appliance.

 

[Aviador]

Cat 9 fire cover is required for the Boeing 777, that's additional staffing requirement but it would usually be accommodated with 24 hours notice so I suspect there's other issues at play here.

 

[Bhowani]

We can all relax.
It is an A310 as usual - in the air as I write!

Bhowani

 

[Jordan-34092]

it is an A310 just watched it climb out of ISB. Heading out over Afghanistan now at 32,000ft

 

[The Pole]

Lack of trained staff??? Its just a bigger plane to disembark passengers from, clean, restock and board passengers, other than from a technical point of view, should the plane have an issue what is the difference?

I think you are looking at it far too simply.

First off, you need to be trained specifically on that aircraft for the following:

Tug driver: 3 axle bogey infamous for scrubbing up loose concrete for starters. Its longer so need to have better space awareness.

Dispatcher/TRM: Needs jetbridge or steps training. Higher off tarmac and bigger doors than A310.

Cleaners: More needed for a larger aircraft. Not aware of any specific training needs.

Baggage: Im assuming need training on how to load and balance the holds.

Cant think of what else is needed off the top of my head, but I get the feeling Ive missed something off too.

Pushback is not a primary issue, one big enough to do so is, whether we have it im not sure unless its a present one that can handle a heavier/bigger a/c.

Wont fit on an airbridge stand at lba and even if it did ASU are responsible for training in its use no dispatcher is air bridge trained its done by ramp techs or ASU if called upon. Plus the airbridge has settings for the a/c type.

Baggage handlers already trained in the use of ULD's and the balancing comes from a load sheet from the dispatcher from load controll from another load control.

Simple requirement is more staff and more space.

Thanks for the info, I know times have changed and health and safety is now at the top of everyone's agenda, however, remember back to the 80's when we got the Wardair 747 and DC10s also the day in 1996 (EUROS) we have several large aircraft and once when most of the UK was fog bound other than LBA and we had that many diverts the aircraft were parked everywhere, so I am sure LBA would manage. If the fog issue ever happened again would LBA have to turn away 777's and the like due to lack of training?

 

[White Heather]

The aircraft is A310, AP-BEC

LBA have stated publicly that they are all set for the 777 and have been since before the 13th when the first 777 was due, so there should be reason at all for a 777 to divert to MAN unless it was to be the 777-300.

 

[User0001]

http://www.ilkleygazette.co.uk/news/new ... d_Airport/

A spokeswoman for the airport said it had been postponed pending further talks with PIA.

“We will be making an announcement in due course,” she added

All sounds rather ominous.

 

[LBA787]

Maybe the issue for LBA/B777 is the lack of trained staff.

They may have all the equipment here, but Im sure LBA787 said that his training had been postponed?

I was supposed to be trained how to open and close Boeing 777 doors. As the only fixed training rig is at LHR my training was to be done during the turnround of the morning emirates 777 at Manchester but was cancelled when PIA told the company they were delaying the introduction of the a/c.

Shame...

:crazy:

 

[planespotter1333]

Well todays PIA775/776 Rotations are cancelled! Is that due to lack of a/c/A310 Going tech in ISB?

Can someone tell me why its canceled !

 

[LBA787]

Well todays PIA775/776 Rotations are cancelled! Is that due to lack of a/c/A310 Going tech in ISB?

Can someone tell me why its canceled !

It's due to a shortage of A310 a/c. The Leeds flight will be operated by a 777 from Manchester.

:crazy:

 

[lbaspotter]

Well I'm not at all surprised, I think we all knew it was going to happen sometime soon after last weeks last minute rethink.
PIA are in a right mess with half there current fleet grounded, they really need to sort these problems out quickly.

What makes this even worse is the fact that its been operated by a Boeing 777-200ER, AP-BHX which could use LBA without problems. Meanwhile the airport FID's are showing today's flight as "cancelled", What a load off tosh as we all know it should showing "Diverting to Manchester"

 

[Jordan-34092]

Meanwhile the airport FID's are showing today's flight as "cancelled", What a load off tosh as we all know it should showing "Diverting to Manchester"

You know what the airport is like when it comes to diversions to Manchester, we all know in the past they have put cancelled on a few flights even though they diverted to Manchester.

 

[The Pole]

Flight Radar has the info down as the 777 coming to LBA, we live in hope, wonder if we might get a fly past

 

[kevinbev]

Cant help but feel that LBA is getting strung along by PIA now. This saga with introducting the T7 seems to have gone on for years. When they say it will operate the aircraft then doubt is cast within weeks. The airport say they are now equipped to deal with the aircraft. Now with a golden opportunity it goes to MAN. If it is down to training then why arent the ground staff given the training well before hand anyway in preparation. This should have been done months ago. Why is is that Teesside (sorry DTV) can handle the 777. The runway is almost the same length as LBA. They have hardly any flights and staff these days but yet seem quite capable of handling the aircraft when it does the trooping flights. Where do they get there extra staff/fire cover etc from. Can only see PIA pulling out in the not too distant future but this will hopefully open the door to a more commited operator.

 

[planespotter1333]

Just Looking at the Arr/Deps Page on the LBA Website and has the PIA775/776 Always been a 17:30 Arr and a 19:30 dept?